What Tac Gear Should I Train With?

[Korgs130]

I’ve just started shooting my carbine at a private gun club in my area. My plan is to spend the next 9 months or so prepping for a carbine class sometime next year. I have a US Peacekeeper Rapid Deployment Pack that I use as “go bag” that I keep with my carbine in the safe at home. I also have and instructors belt with a Raven Holster for my G22 on order and was planning on purchasing some Fastmag pouches as well.

My first thought was to train with the my pistol on mags on my belt, but I can’t see a scenario that I would actually grab my Glock and or my carbine and then get my belt on. If it every came to me having to defend my home I see the following as much more likely: grabbing my Glock (in night stand safe); getting my carbine and go bag (main safe); sticking my Glock in the side arm pocket in the go bag and then proceeding as required.

So, should I train with my mags and Glock in the go bag or with everything on the instructors belt? Thanks in advance for everyone's in put.

[coloccw]

Both.

If you have a holster, practice with it. If you think you might be using a go bag, practice with it. Flexability and adapability are key traits to have.

[pmarc]

I'll venture a limb and risk to be corrected later.

But "train as you fight" sounds good to me.

[ZoomByU]

I'll venture a limb and risk to be corrected later.

But "train as you fight" sounds good to me.

+1 you need to build that muscle memory so if and when you have to use your training you won't fumble something because you didn't train with it.

[sboza]

Korgs130 - I agree with the other posters, train with any equipment you are likely to use in your situation. Also, if you are planning on seeking out professional training, some proficiency with your holster would be good.


A couple of things regarding your setup:

I don't know where you live (rural/suburban/urban), your surroundings, if you have any family in the house, etc..., so this input may not apply to you, please don't be offended.

My understanding of your process is: You hear a bump in the night, key in your night stand safe combination, grab the pistol, make your way to the safe, input the safe code in the dark (very doable with practice), grab the rifle, possibly sling the rifle, grab your "go bag", sling your "go bag" over your shoulder, holster pistol in your "go bag," and finally investigate the disruption.

What I don't like about this is that you are spending a lot of time with your weapon down until you are ready to respond and well ... you're spending a lot of time. On top of that, you are doing this while you're still groggy. On the day, when you're fighting panic because your loved ones are in danger, that's a lot of steps. Kind of like guys who plan on donning a plate carrier before "clearing" their home.

Not knocking it completely, you may well have enough time since bad guys aren't probably going to know the layout of your house in the dark well enough to move right to you. But I, personally, think you've got enough going on to stick with KISS as much as possible. Not to mention, if you have kids, you are not, I promise you, going to waste any time in getting to them.

Honestly, and again I am sure plenty of people would disagree with me, I would grab the pistol, unlock safe with support hand while covering door, stuff extra rifle mag in pocket, grab rifle, leave the pistol or stuff it in your pants (obviously a bad idea with some guns) and go with your plan. This way you are always covering your most likely threat area for all but a second or two.

If you're donning the "go bag" because you feel it is necessary (rural area for example), practice moving around in your house with all of your gear on. You wouldn't believe how many things can snag, catch, make noise, etc... during movement in a structure.

For the record, I would feel comfortable in a home defense situation with my g17 any day. Don't get me wrong, I will always prefer extra firepower when possible but a well trained shooter with a pistol will get the job done. So don't program yourself to retrieve the rifle, rather, decide if that is the right move given the circumstances

Goes without saying, if you don't have loved ones elsewhere in the house, just barricade yourself in your room and service the bad guys when they come knocking.

Finally, I don't know if you have any formal training but if you don't, practicing on your own for 9 months can actually set you back a lot. Bad habits are hard to break. I've seen complete novices progress faster than guys who have been shooting "all their lives" because they don't have bad habits reinforced.

Good luck and sorry for the bad grammar and spelling, I've got to run. I hope I didn't come across as ripping on you or your plan, I'm not.

[Jim D]

Carry your shit on your belt when you train.

Practicing pulling stuff out of a bag is something we've been doing since kindergarten... if you know how to run a gun, it doesn't matter if you reload from a belt pouch, back pocket, chest rig, go bag, or car trunk.

Spend the time and energy learning how to shoot and run the gun, put in some practice with your rig of choice after your proficient with it to make sure nothing is jacked up with it, then drive on.

It doesn't take months to "prep" for a class. Sign up for a class appropriate to your ability level, go with an open mind, and take good notes. Just get out there and do it.

[pentosinjunkie]

I am not sure the OP meant that his go-bag would be used for bump-in-the-night situations...

As for the carbine class...HSGI Sure-grip with TACO pouches is where it's at...

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[ares armor]

I’ve just started shooting my carbine at a private gun club in my area. My plan is to spend the next 9 months or so prepping for a carbine class sometime next year. I have a US Peacekeeper Rapid Deployment Pack that I use as “go bag” that I keep with my carbine in the safe at home. I also have and instructors belt with a Raven Holster for my G22 on order and was planning on purchasing some Fastmag pouches as well.

My first thought was to train with the my pistol on mags on my belt, but I can’t see a scenario that I would actually grab my Glock and or my carbine and then get my belt on. If it every came to me having to defend my home I see the following as much more likely: grabbing my Glock (in night stand safe); getting my carbine and go bag (main safe); sticking my Glock in the side arm pocket in the go bag and then proceeding as required.

So, should I train with my mags and Glock in the go bag or with everything on the instructors belt? Thanks in advance for everyone's in put.

The same belt that I train with sits next to me in my room with my Weapon inside the holster.

I view the go bag in more of an E&E light. IE: if the threat is greater than what i can deal with in my current situation.

I wouldn't put on a pack to deal with 1 or 2 home invaders. If i put a pack on my plan is to escape.

[Korgs130]

Thanks for everyone’s input. Just to clarify a couple of things:

- I’m military and I’ve had training on the M9 and the M16 (the M16 training was a long time ago). My schedule doesn’t allow me to take a class until next year, so I’ll be shooting in the interim for practice. I live a wooded rural area and with a 4 year old in the house I keep everything locked up.

- For things that go bump in the night I’m using my G22. More than likely I’m only going to grab my carbine if I’m heading out to the back 40 or bugging out in general.

- What I call my “go-bag” is an the Peace Keeper active shooter bag. It’s small and I try to keep it light weight. I have one Magpul 30rd mag in each of the two double mag pouches and on pistol mag in the double pistol mag pouch of a total of 3 mags (2 carbine, 1 pistol). The main pocket has a trama kit, a Surefire G2, leatherman and extra 123 batteries. If I have to bug out I have a separate “bug out” pack.

I’m also a big fan of training like you fight. So maybe I need to replace my “go bag” with more of a “battle belt” set up? I can train with a holster and mags on the belt and keep it locked up with carbine. If required I can then grab the battle belt with the carbine.

[sboza]

Korgs130 - the background info helps a lot. Given the extra info, I think you've got a pretty good plan. Belt or go bag is really a matter of preference given your planned use.