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Thread: AAC screwing small dealers and customers rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuicideHz View Post
    You are NOW offering to make them right.

    From what I've read, they've been WRONG for a long time while the EDM process has been touted as the latest and greatest improvement as opposed to a fix for your overzealous welding and warped cans.

    EDM is a breathtakingly expensive and tedious process, is it not?

    We use EDM because it can make each and every baffle and the end cap of the silencer concentric to the rifle's bore to as close as 0.0002 of an inch. That is just not possible with normal machining no matter if the can is welded or not. A long/thin reamer cannot make a straight cut without moving when in contact with each surface. And if a can is not welded, the baffles will move within the can a far greater amount than that.

    Yes, it is extremely expensive but we feel it is worth it if you want the best. EDM shop time is in the $50 to $120 an hour range depending on how fast and modern or precise the machine is. Most are $90 an hour or so. A can takes quite a long time on the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim2L View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't have the time or patience to wait months on the hope the can will be made right. It is commendable that AAC is doing the right thing for that customer but at this time I would rather wait until AAC's QC track record is a little more consistent. I also prefer to support small dealers, like the original poster, who in turn support customers like me.

    If you hear of 3 problems with an AAC product and 2 with another brand, just remember that AAC might have sold 100 times as many cans in the same period of time. AAC sells more than twice as many cans per year than Surefire, Ops Inc, and SWR combined. Only KAC ships more cans in a year due to the SOPMOD contract.

    Please do support small dealers. AAC gives them dealer price just like any other silencer maker. I believe the original poster was just unhappy that dealers who buy over 10 cans can get an even lower price. I don't see any way around this. Quantity discounts are normal in all industries.

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    I am accustomed to buying products from companies such as Noveske, GAP, USO, and McMillan. I really don't care how big AAC is compared to other companies, and frankly, there are more reported QC problems from AAC floating around than just the one posted. I also don't see companies like Noveske Rifle Works, GA Precision, US Optics, and McMillan running around causing a stir in the shooting community the way that AAC does.

    Again, it is commendable that AAC took care of that customer but maybe AAC should concentrate harder on producing a higher quality product, with less frequent defects, than growing bigger and pumping out more cans than anyone else. Walmart is bigger than anyone else and has a money back guarantee...I don't buy from them either.

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    AAC is extremely good when it comes to quality and the smaller can makers are not better and cannot match AAC on features, durability, or POI shift.

    Here is an example: Company-A makes 30 cans a year with 1 problem vs company-B makes 6000 cans with 12 problems.... Which is higher quality?

    The one with 12 problems a year has an almost 17 times lower defect rate than the company with 1 problem a year.

    I own six McMillan rifles, and they are very nice, but one of them released the sear when I closed the bolt. The trigger was mis-adjusted. Another one was reamed with too tight a chamber and they wanted to redo it. I was satisfied so I kept it. No one is infallible. I would buy and recommend McMillan as I like them very much overall. It is the rifle we demo the AAC Cyclops 50 BMG can on.

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    I dont want this turning into a bash thread. I am just not happy with this new pricing. I think AAC makes a good product. I am sure we have all had a shitty rifle or handgun made by SW, COLT, ECT that was not up too par, and thrying to get a big CORP to fix it was like pulling teeth from a lion. They all have issues its how they take of them that counts

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    Lead times on AAC cans are the second issue that has kept me from buying their products. If this pricing structure helps them solve that problem then I'm in favor of it.

    If this is a second job for you, you can afford to have slimmer margins on a product than someone with a fulltime storefront. They are going to have actual overhead costs that will keep their prices higher relative to what they pay.

    For example, and M42k retails for $900. If you pay $700, and a big dealer pays $600, you're both still going to wind up selling at $900 because he has more overhead to deal with.

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    We have this problem in AZ. There's a handful of so called "dealers" who will order anything for you.

    Screw them. If you're damned dealer, STOCK SOME SHIT!
    "You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    We have this problem in AZ. There's a handful of so called "dealers" who will order anything for you.

    Screw them. If you're damned dealer, STOCK SOME SHIT!

    C3 dealers are a funny bunch. They are not big on stocking items in large QTY's (like regular dealers have too). For instance, you can come into my shop and find five Trijicon TA31DOC's, fived TA31F's, three TA31RCO-M4's, ten deep (or more) on every LT, Magpul, DD, VLTOR, SF product.

    So it appears that AAC is trying to get their dealers to actually stock their products and take some of the burden off of them. This makes good business sense IMHO.


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    It's definitely a good long term decision. Less unhappy "where's my can?" customer service calls for AAC.
    "You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    Less unhappy "where's my can?" customer service calls for AAC.
    Err, maybe.

    Now, instead of the calls from the end user/buyer, the calls will likely be coming from the dealers.

    What has changed on the supply side to keep pace with demands of a stocking dealer? If Grant decides today that he is willing to buy fifteen SPR/M4's to stock, he's probably going to be waiting for them to be made. Then waiting a little while longer for them to transfer.

    Changes to the dealer structure should be accompanied by changes to the supply side too. No mention of supply side changes.

    I suspect that now the unhappiness will shift to the stocking dealers who must remain quiet or risk not getting the cans that people want to buy....

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