single point sling

[fyrelt]

need help.i want a single point sling on my m4 who has the best , troy or blue force gear.

[ygbsm]

This is off of Larry Vicker's website, and if you look you will find many people echo his sentiments:

Carbine Slings

With the introduction of my quick adjust two point sling design by Blue Force Gear I felt it was time to share my thoughts on carbine slings. For those who have had my carbine classes this will be old news but those who haven’t may enjoy reading this.

1) Single Point Slings - As many of you know I am not a fan of this design. In my opinion it has far too many negatives for very few positives. The one big plus of the single point design is it is very easy to switch from shoulder to shoulder for weak side barricade shooting. It is a big advantage in that situation. However I honestly cannot think of another attribute it has; everything else in my opinion is negative. It tends to make the rifle dangle and hang off of you like a dead cocker spaniel. When you are shooting on the move after a transition it tends to interfere with your movement as the carbine wants to hang in front of your body. It also likes to hang up on kit as it is tight around your upper torso. When you take a knee it is guaranteed you will muzzle strike the ground unless you control it. Also if you are trying to climb anything it wants to hang in front of your body and prevent you from climbing efficiently. Single point slings are great if you are static at the 7 yd line and play bullet hose but other than that, in my humble opinion, they suck. As far as I am concerned all the negatives greatly outweigh the sole positive feature.

2) Three Point Slings - I very rarely see these in classes anymore as I think everyone has gotten the word on them. With an AR style carbine they are about the worst possible choice. They offer none of the advantages of an adjustable two point with almost every negative in the book. They tend to hang up on kit big time. For a right hander they can interfere with controls and for a left hander they interfere with ejection. If you are standing around with no body armor on they may be cool (I don’t think so) but with any gear on shooters quickly figure out they are lame beyond belief. Like I said fortunately most people have gotten the word on three point slings so they are scarce in the circles I run in.

3) Two Point Slings - Non adjustable two point slings like a standard USGI M16 sling offer real advantages in the ability to transition easily and keep the sling from hanging up on kit but suffer from the fact they are rarely the ideal length for any given task. They are generally too long or too short depending on a shooters position. Enter the quick adjust two point sling; in my opinion the best all around choice for a carbine sling and the overwhelming favorite in the Spec Ops circles I run in. It offers the best features, all things considered, with one negative vs. a single point design. Most of the time you will have to unsling one shoulder to do weak side barricade shooting. This of course depends on how you wear it and the kit you have on at the time. I used a two point quick adjust sling made by Boonie Packer called the BP-5 model for nearly two decades with excellent results.

In later years I realized the BP-5 was in serious need of updating, so I set about refining the design, all the while searching for a vendor to make my idea of the best two point quick adjust sling available. Luckily for me, I had Ashley Burnsed of Blue Force Gear in a recent carbine/pistol class. I was impressed with not only his open-minded attitude, but the superb quality of his products. We put our heads together, and after a short time, the Vickers Tactical Combat Applications Sling was the result. In my obviously biased opinion, it is the best adjustable two point design to date. Ashley, who I now call ‘Der Slingmeister’, did a great job turning my ideas into hardware and now we are ready for primetime. Initial feedback from some very experienced end users has been overwhelmingly positive. Needless to say, we are both very excited about this project.

A version with a wider padded strap for heavier rifles is coming next. Then we are going to put our heads together to design a purpose built special cutaway version. Stand by for updates.

In closing, I recommend you try a quick adjust two point sling; if not mine then another vendor’s design. I think eventually you will agree with me in it is the best choice given all the factors involved.

[Cold Zero]

fyrelt:

We have been down this road before, the search button is your friend.

If you must have a single point, the best one is likely The Wilderness. That being said, the only thing that sucks more than a single point sling on an M4 is a three point sling.

Get a two point sling, it is the best compromise of all worlds. VT makes a nice one. mho.

[KevinB]

I think the BFG Single point is better than the Wilderness - I have about 4 of each -- and all now collect dust while I hoarde more of the VCAS slings -- Grant has a special version from BFG with QD swivles sewn into both sides - cuts down on bulk - and gives more adjustment room.

Watching LAV run the sling - showed me I had missed a bit, and while I liked it before -- I love it now

[Shihan]

I think the BFG Single point is better than the Wilderness - I have about 4 of each -- and all now collect dust while I hoarde more of the VCAS slings -- Grant has a special version from BFG with QD swivles sewn into both sides - cuts down on bulk - and gives more adjustment room.

Watching LAV run the sling - showed me I had missed a bit, and while I liked it before -- I love it now

I wish BF would put a video tutorial on their website.

[jackinfl]

I wish BF would put a video tutorial on their website.

Roger that! I'd even settle for a few pictures and an explanation. It's like alot of things you think you are doing it right, but the designer of the thing could teach you how to get the MOST out of it.

Jack

[John_Wayne777]

Roger that! I'd even settle for a few pictures and an explanation. It's like alot of things you think you are doing it right, but the designer of the thing could teach you how to get the MOST out of it.

Jack

It's not that difficult. You tighten up the quick adjust tab to the point it is comfortable and works for you. Then if you need to do something with the weapon like switch shoulders or transition the rifle to your support side so you can use the white light on the rifle/carbine, you run out the quick adjust tab to the point where it lets you do what you need to do.

It's awesome.

KevinB is right about the version you want...the G&R tactical version with the sewn in QD sling swivels is the heat.

[Shihan]

It's not that difficult. You tighten up the quick adjust tab to the point it is comfortable and works for you. Then if you need to do something with the weapon like switch shoulders or transition the rifle to your support side so you can use the white light on the rifle/carbine, you run out the quick adjust tab to the point where it lets you do what you need to do.

It's awesome.

KevinB is right about the version you want...the G&R tactical version with the sewn in QD sling swivels is the heat.

This qoute from Kevin B
"Watching LAV run the sling - showed me I had missed a bit, and while I liked it before -- I love it now"

Is what prompted the video tutorial response from me.

[Failure2Stop]

Watching LAV run the sling - showed me I had missed a bit, and while I liked it before -- I love it now

Minor hijack, apologies, but could you expound upon this?

I am currently running VTAC and am curious if I am missing something that may be unique to the LAV sling.

[Sam]

While it's a good sling, better than 1 pt. and 3 pts., the VTAC's "tail" is the issue for a lot of people. The tail could get caught in gears, vehicle, etc. I tried the VTAC sling a friend installed on his rifle and found that it was very difficult to transition to weak side shooting because the adjustment wasn't enough.