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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    For a fighting carbine, I feel the heavier pull of the SSA makes it a better choice over the SSA-E
    I have the SSA and like another poster said the SSA-E wasn't out when I bought my SSA but I'm very pleased with the weight of the SSA and don't see a need to go lighter so on my next build I will buy another SSA and save myself $30. I don't need the SSA-E unless I am ponying up for a Mk12 clone.

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    I agree completely. I have one of each & the SSA-E is better suited for a precision rig due to it's lighter pull weight.
    I don't agree with that at all. There is a 1lb difference between the two on the second stage. If you don't have propper trigger dicipline, the 1lb isn't going to help you with anything.

    To some degree, you have to set a number on trigger pull weight. I think by far the 4.5lb people keep quoting came from pistols and carried over to carbines. Under stress, you won't notice the difference between 3.5lb and 4.5lb. The 1lb isn't going to save you from a ND.

    If you have some policy requirements that set the minimum at 4.5lbs, I would ask Geissele if there is a spring combination you could put into a SSA-E to increase it.

    The SSA-E is different from a SSA by more than pull weight.

    The reset of the SSA-E is MUCH better than the SSA. There is no overtravel to the reset. On the SSA, you would fire a shot, let the trigger out to where it clicks into reset. You have to let the trigger forward past where it clicks to be on the first stage again. This is kind of annoying when trying to shoot fast.

    On the SSA-E, as soon as the trigger clicks into reset, you are into the first stage again, and ready to pull the trigger. Feels MUCH better when shooting fast.

    I've had an SSA, S3G and SSA-E.

    The SSA-E is my favorite by far. The S3G was a neat trigger, but not very good for precision shooting. It feels very much like a highly tuned single stage and lacks the predicitibility (sp?) of the SSA/SSA-E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    I don't agree with that at all. There is a 1lb difference between the two on the second stage. If you don't have propper trigger dicipline, the 1lb isn't going to help you with anything.

    To some degree, you have to set a number on trigger pull weight. I think by far the 4.5lb people keep quoting came from pistols and carried over to carbines. Under stress, you won't notice the difference between 3.5lb and 4.5lb. The 1lb isn't going to save you from a ND.

    If you have some policy requirements that set the minimum at 4.5lbs, I would ask Geissele if there is a spring combination you could put into a SSA-E to increase it.

    The SSA-E is different from a SSA by more than pull weight.

    The reset of the SSA-E is MUCH better than the SSA. There is no overtravel to the reset. On the SSA, you would fire a shot, let the trigger out to where it clicks into reset. You have to let the trigger forward past where it clicks to be on the first stage again. This is kind of annoying when trying to shoot fast.

    On the SSA-E, as soon as the trigger clicks into reset, you are into the first stage again, and ready to pull the trigger. Feels MUCH better when shooting fast.

    I've had an SSA, S3G and SSA-E.

    The SSA-E is my favorite by far. The S3G was a neat trigger, but not very good for precision shooting. It feels very much like a highly tuned single stage and lacks the predicitibility (sp?) of the SSA/SSA-E.
    bp, I hear you. I like the characteristics of the SSA-E better than the SSA also. But for me, it was just a tad too light for my primary carbine.

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    As long as the trigger is safe, from a drop standpoint, free of mechanical defect etc, I don't see getting wrapped up in 4.5lbs vs 3.5lbs.

    But, by all means run what you are comfortable with. I would really encourage anyone wanting a new trigger to contact Geissele to see if there is a spring they can swap out to add a 1lb if its needed for some type of policy compliance.

    The SSA-E is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    I don't agree with that at all. There is a 1lb difference between the two on the second stage. If you don't have propper trigger dicipline, the 1lb isn't going to help you with anything.
    The difference in pull is more than just extra weight. The SSA-E has a much crisper break. The SSA has more creep. Between the extra weight and added creep, the SSA is more forgiving if the shooter applies a bit too much pressure when staging the trigger prior to the shot. Regardless of the weight difference between the two, the SSA feels like it requires a more deliberate press before it breaks.

    It's not always about a lack of trigger discipline. Shooters also vary in level of dexterity. Hands also stiffen with age, use and abuse. Several factors come into play when choosing the right trigger. I really like the SSA-E. But when all is taken into consideration, the SSA in general, is a better choice for a carbine used in the high stress environment of combat.

    The reset of the SSA-E is MUCH better than the SSA. There is no overtravel to the reset. On the SSA, you would fire a shot, let the trigger out to where it clicks into reset. You have to let the trigger forward past where it clicks to be on the first stage again. This is kind of annoying when trying to shoot fast.

    On the SSA-E, as soon as the trigger clicks into reset, you are into the first stage again, and ready to pull the trigger. Feels MUCH better when shooting fast.
    On my SSA-E and on the demo unit at Rainier Arms, the trigger must be released to travel all the way past both stages before it resets. Reset felt no different than that of the SSA demo trigger.

    In the end, trigger choice is the responsibility of the individual. My experience with the SSA-E has me thinking if I do replace the stock trigger of my new carbine with a Geisselle, the SSA is the better choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    For a fighting carbine, I feel the heavier pull of the SSA makes it a better choice over the SSA-E
    I agree. I have an SSA, SSF, SSA-E (and GA National Match) in addition to a KAC 2-stage on my SR15. Here's my take after having run them all:

    SSA (or SSF) on a HD or high-stress gun. There is a significant difference between the SSA and -E. The SSA might have a slight bit more over-travel on reset than the -E, but I see that as a good thing on a high-stress gun. The SSF and SSA are almost identical, but the reset on the SSF has even a little more over-travel, but an identical break.

    I like the -E better in general, but it is a little too light for me, unless it's for a more precision rig like a DMR. When doing drills, I have occasionally had a shot break earlier than intended or an unintended followup shot after reset. It's not so much an issue of trigger control and discipline as it is the nature of the shooting situation and how the triggers perform in such.

    For a high-stress combat rifle, my preference would be: 1) SSA or SSF, 2) KAC 2-stage, 3) SSA-E.
    Last edited by lifebreath; 09-28-11 at 17:08.
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    FWIW
    Here at the GA shop, I've replaced a lot of the stock triggers in the duty carbines carried by police officers from various local departments with our SSA trigger. We've received a lot of positive feedback from the officers themselves, their instructor and department heads that their qualification scores had all gone up after the installation of our SSA trigger. The only SSA-E that I installed for duty use was in a DMR SWAT rifle. HTH

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    Bumping this thread since the title is the title thread I was going to create.

    Decided on the SSA trigger but wanting to know more about the SSA-E

    I will be bench target shooting most often but at some point doing tactical shooting at another range that has it.

    But 95% of the time it will be bench target shooting with 1-6X scope.

    Not sure whether to get the SSA or SSA-E

    Thoughts???

    Thanks

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    The SSAE is about a pound lighter. 2lb take-up and a 1.5lb really crisp break. I have 2 and use them in 3gun. When doing quick doubles you just pull through quickly. I don't notice any wall on those occasions.

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    Starting a new thread and bumping an old one on the same subject?
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