YouTube video critical of "Modern CQB methods"

[dookie1481]

My CQB training is VERY limited (0311), can some SMEs or those otherwise qualified comment on this? Is this guy just taking videos and pointing out poor training/training scars? He states in the comments:

I would like to hear from legitimate instructors who disagree or agree with me. Am I missing something or misrepresenting something with this video? Please let me know. I am simply trying to save lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv9LCpG_d_A

[SOWT]

It's easy to find mistakes. Where in the training timeline are these guys, early on, or close to graduating?

You run students through multiple times at multiple speeds so they can make their mistakes in the shoot house and not on the two-way live-fire range.

Personally, I think most of the folks putting these videos up are doing it to promote their buisness. See, the other guys suck, go to my school instead.

Just my .02.

[obucina]

It's easy to find mistakes. Where in the training timeline are these guys, early on, or close to graduating?

You run students through multiple times at multiple speeds so they can make their mistakes in the shoot house and not on the two-way live-fire range.

Personally, I think most of the folks putting these videos up are doing it to promote their buisness. See, the other guys suck, go to my school instead.

Just my .02.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/IACT-...202771?sk=wall
http://www.iacttactical.com/iacttact...m/Contact.html

i concur.

[NCPatrolAR]

It gets on my nerves when people post a video talking about all of the negatives without ever saying or showing how to do it "correctly" (in their opinion anyways).

[C4IGrant]

First let me state that I am NOT an expert in this field and am not ex-tier 1, 2 or 3.
With that said, I have received quite a bit of instruction from Former Tier 1 shooters and instructors that have taught Tier 1 groups. I am also very interested in this type of training and attend it as often as can (several times a year generally). So please take my comments with a grain of salt.

I watched some of the video.

With the first group, the number 1 guy didn't go to his "known." He button hooked to his left. This always causes delays as he has to do a complete 90 degree turn before he can get out of the doorway so that the number 2 guy can get in. This slows everything down. Also, the number one guy was either moving to fast or the number 2 guys was not keeping up (hard to say as don't see them in the stack prior to entering the room).

The person hosting the video, missed the above fact (which concerns me).

The argument that this guy is trying to make is that bad guys in the center of rooms cause big problems for entry teams. This is correct. Depending on the number of people entering the room AND the proximity of the bad guy to the entrance way will define which person engages the threat first. So with the first group in the video, it appears that the bad guy in the center of the room is about 8-10ft from the door. This would generally mean that the number 2 or 3 man in the stack would take him (which man shoots at the center guy would/should be figured out long before going into the shoot house and will be different from team to team).

Ultimately, the person in position 1 will have to make that split second decision on whether or not to shoot the guy in the center of the room based off his position to the entrance way.

The other main topic that the host of the video points out is the danger of one of your teammates being shot because they wandered down the wall. This is true and is why the "Flow" technique is dangerous and needs to be practiced a lot before utilizing it. It is also my understanding that this method is mostly used for hostage rescue.

The more commonly used method is the strong wall technique. This limits the possibility of someone shooting their own teammate and is why it is the most commonly used technique with LE and .Mil units.


As others have pointed out, don't poke holes in something without offering a solution.




C4

[Failure2Stop]

I would remind everyone participating in this thread that our active and future enemies also have access to the internet, and are actively mining it to better understand our tactics, techniques and procedures, and ask that descriptions are kept unspecific.

While no one can learn CQB via YouTube, one can begin to identify vulnerabilites if they are switched on and people share enough detail.

Don't help them hurt us.

[darr3239]

Good point. If we could control You Tube and all the other sites with videos and info., we would be in better shape.

[Failure2Stop]

Good point. If we could control You Tube and all the other sites with videos and info., we would be in better shape.

No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood.

At least our little raindrop understands the consequence of it's existence.
We can't save the world, but we can do our part in support of those that are currently deep in harm's guts.

[Redmanfms]

From the video description:

There is a better way- High Threat CQB

Obviously selling something.

What he, or a friend of his, is apparently selling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53QZ...el_video_title

Doesn't look too hot to me, especially having two guys stand shoulder-to-shoulder stationary in a doorway to engage a single threat, in my own poorly informed opinion.

[Failure2Stop]

From the video description:



Obviously selling something.

What he, or a friend of his, is apparently selling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53QZ...el_video_title

Doesn't look too hot to me, especially having two guys stand shoulder-to-shoulder stationary in a doorway to engage a single threat, in my own poorly informed opinion.

That looks like a variation of a method I am very familiar with. I've never done the threshold entry (movement) in the manner they are, and I can't say I really think it's anything great, new, or cutting edge.