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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    Step one. . .criminalize something.

    Step two. . .well you know where this leads us.
    Step three...


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    Almost nine months after a Missouri dairy was ordered to stop selling cheese made from raw milk, I share details of another hare-raising story from the Show-Me State: John Dollarhite and his wife Judy of tiny Nixa, Mo., have been told by the USDA that, by Monday, they must pay a fine exceeding $90,000. If they don’t pay that fine, they could face additional fines of almost $4 million. Why? Because they sold more than $500 worth of bunnies — $4,600 worth to be exact — in a single calendar year.
    That is totally outrageous Irish. I heard the other day on Quinn and Rose that the EPA regulations would require 230,000 new employees, $21 billion... Insanity is abound..

    The proposed regulations would set greenhouse gas emission thresholds above which businesses must file for an EPA permit and complete extra paperwork in order to continue operating. If the EPA wins its court battle and fully rolls out the greenhouse gas regulations, the number of businesses forced into this regulatory regime would grow tremendously — from approximately 14,000 now to as many as 6.1 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    marijuana never killed a single person
    I'm for legalization of all drugs, not just marijuana, but this statement is demonstrably false. I suppose you mean by overdose, but that's being a little choosy.

    BTW, our drug laws came not from puritanical Bible thumpers, but from racist progressives (you know, people who generally hate Bible thumpers) who were attempting to control the underclasses. The problem of legislating social mores is a problem that historically pre-dates the use of faith campaigning in pursuit of legislation to ban things. You might at least study the history of drug laws before making blanket statements about "religious zealots" champ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post

    Shutting down little kid's lemonade stands and fining them all over the country due to not having business licenses comes to mind as well... I could think of a hundred more examples.
    I think about all those news clips I've seen about some local commissar busting up childrens' lemonade/whatever stands whenever I see that smartphone ad about the little girl who becomes a lemonade mogul because her dad lent her his smartphone. Yeah, wouldn't happen.

    All this in the name of making us "safe." Funny, a lot of people and their pets have been sickened and died from dangerous products imported from China (and other places), products produced overseas by illiterate peasants because environmental, food safety, and consumer protection regulations have made it ****ing impossible to make them here (and lets not forget unions and their pals in the NLRB).

    Ugh.

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    I know my history champ...and I understand that the laws came about due to racism against the Mexican(marijuana), Chinese(opium), and African American(cocaine) communities. Marijuana has never killed a single person....go ahead and try to make some distant link that it has if you want but I'm not buying that shit.
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    Guy escaped Communist Hungary, works hard as a mechanic and becomes successful, buys land, cleans it up and removes 7000 tires and goes to prison for 3 years and is fined $200k. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...n-john-pozsgai

    Federal officials prosecuted John Rapanos for shoveling dirt around on his property in Bay County, Mich. The EPA and Army Corps of Engineers filed charges against Mr. Rapanos for “polluting” the wetlands by leveling the soil on his property. Under the “migratory molecule” rule, the Army Corps claims that any isolated wetland can fall under federal jurisdiction because there is a speculative possibility that a water molecule from one wetland may reach another navigable waterway. In Mr. Rapanos‘ case, the nearest navigable water is roughly 20 miles from his property. His fine was $900k and possible jail time. http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress...25752E0072FC60

    Another example of supposed "wetland" and people being bent over by the EPA. http://www.pacificlegal.org/page.aspx?pid=1408

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    Step three...


    Bingo bango!

    All because something is "legal" does not make it right, and all because something is "illegal" doesn't make it wrong.

    There is a differance between a criminal and an outlaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    Guy escaped Communist Hungary, works hard as a mechanic and becomes successful, buys land, cleans it up and removes 7000 tires and goes to prison for 3 years and is fined $200k. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...n-john-pozsgai

    Federal officials prosecuted John Rapanos for shoveling dirt around on his property in Bay County, Mich. The EPA and Army Corps of Engineers filed charges against Mr. Rapanos for “polluting” the wetlands by leveling the soil on his property. Under the “migratory molecule” rule, the Army Corps claims that any isolated wetland can fall under federal jurisdiction because there is a speculative possibility that a water molecule from one wetland may reach another navigable waterway. In Mr. Rapanos‘ case, the nearest navigable water is roughly 20 miles from his property. His fine was $900k and possible jail time. http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress...25752E0072FC60

    Another example of supposed "wetland" and people being bent over by the EPA. http://www.pacificlegal.org/page.aspx?pid=1408




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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    Guy escaped Communist Hungary, works hard as a mechanic and becomes successful, buys land, cleans it up and removes 7000 tires and goes to prison for 3 years and is fined $200k. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...n-john-pozsgai

    Federal officials prosecuted John Rapanos for shoveling dirt around on his property in Bay County, Mich. The EPA and Army Corps of Engineers filed charges against Mr. Rapanos for “polluting” the wetlands by leveling the soil on his property. Under the “migratory molecule” rule, the Army Corps claims that any isolated wetland can fall under federal jurisdiction because there is a speculative possibility that a water molecule from one wetland may reach another navigable waterway. In Mr. Rapanos‘ case, the nearest navigable water is roughly 20 miles from his property. His fine was $900k and possible jail time. http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress...25752E0072FC60

    Another example of supposed "wetland" and people being bent over by the EPA. http://www.pacificlegal.org/page.aspx?pid=1408
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    Bingo bango!

    All because something is "legal" does not make it right, and all because something is "illegal" doesn't make it wrong.

    There is a differance between a criminal and an outlaw.
    Everything done in Nazi Germany was "legal" according to their laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I know my history champ...and I understand that the laws came about due to racism against the Mexican(marijuana), Chinese(opium), and African American(cocaine) communities.
    Why then did you make an incorrect (by your own admission) statement regarding the root of drug laws?

    Marijuana has never killed a single person....go ahead and try to make some distant link that it has if you want but I'm not buying that shit.
    DUI isn't a "distant link" and people do in fact die and kill others from driving while intoxicated on marijuana.

    Burning marijuana produces the same alpha particles as tobacco and cannabis contains carcinogenic compounds; it would stand to reason that habitual marijuana smoking would eventually cause cancer.
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