Yemen Defense Ministry: Anwar Al-Awlaki, Dead

[GermanSynergy]

Outstanding way to start my Friday.

[ForTehNguyen]

Well, he was put on the Order to Kill (?) list by Obama. I would think being directly tied to terrorist acts, such as the Ft. Hood shooting, being a member of AQ and threatening to kill more American citizens would justify it. I'm sure the ACLU will be all over it however.

IMO, if you're an American, decide to join AQ and threaten to or kill fellow Americans, your citizenship should be automatically revoked. Maybe it was in his case. Who knows?

even Timothy McVeigh got a trial, due process applies to ALL americans. Read all the articles about him "believed" to "inspired" attacks on Americans, and "accused" How orwellian that a US citizen is able to be killed without being charged, without a trial.

Its great to see a terrorist take a dirt nap, but not at the expense of our civil rights. What to stop the govt from labelling a terrorist and killed without being charged or put on trial? There isnt after doing this. It's unfortunate that people would rather soak in this short term victory than see the long term damage this potentially has to our rights. We waterboard someone and people freak out about it then we kill an American citizen abroad without a trial and due process and applaud it?

see related thread:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=89840

[Don Robison]

Was he an American? He was apparently a citizen of Yemen and Yemen doesn't allow dual U.S./Yemen citizenship so he would have had to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to get citizenship in Yemen.

[Belmont31R]

even Timothy McVeigh got a trial, due process applies to ALL americans. Read all the articles about him "believed" to "inspired" attacks on Americans, and "accused" How orwellian that a US citizen is able to be killed without being charged, without a trial.

Its great to see a terrorist take a dirt nap, but not at the expense of our civil rights. What to stop the govt from labelling a terrorist and killed without being charged or put on trial? There isnt after doing this. It's unfortunate that people would rather soak in this short term victory than see the long term damage this potentially has to our rights. We waterboard someone and people freak out about it then we kill an American citizen abroad without a trial and due process and applaud it?

see related thread:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=89840

My belief on this is...is that if you believe our rights are naturally endowed to each person...then those rights should not end at our borders.


Ive yet to see anything on this guy that says he killed anyone or offered anything more than spiritual support to others. So what was the national security issue that meant he had to be killed on the spot?


This is the drum I have been beating for years...but the gov will use any excuse it can to increase its powers and authority. So we have 3k killed on 9/11 yet over 300 million had have their rights deprived in the wake, and now we are executing citizens abroad without any due process.

[Belmont31R]

Was he an American? He was apparently a citizen of Yemen and Yemen doesn't allow dual U.S./Yemen citizenship so he would have had to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to get citizenship in Yemen.

Renouncement of citizenship is at the approval of the state department.

[ForTehNguyen]

My belief on this is...is that if you believe our rights are naturally endowed to each person...then those rights should not end at our borders.

Ive yet to see anything on this guy that says he killed anyone or offered anything more than spiritual support to others. So what was the national security issue that meant he had to be killed on the spot?

This is the drum I have been beating for years...but the gov will use any excuse it can to increase its powers and authority. So we have 3k killed on 9/11 yet over 300 million had have their rights deprived in the wake, and now we are executing citizens abroad without any due process.

also how many innocent civilians did we get killed looking for this guy. Then on the other side of the coin you have the White House trying to convince Iran to not kill an Iranian minister for refusing to renounce his religious beliefs. Seems like they care more about a non citizen than someone with US citizen status.

[Redmanfms]

Do US citizens get miranda rights scribbled on the front of the AGM-114 or does it interfere with the guidance system?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879

Sniff.

Irony?

The difference between us and them is that we live here and we love our way of life. Trials used to be simple matters that dealt with actual crimes. If someone has waged war against their country by stealing the liberty and wages of decent people, that's treason and a genuine felony (crime punishable by death). A military tribunal would be as good of a trial as any for scum of the first order.

Like the meteoric drop in crime after the Albuquerque police went on strike proved, the justice system protects criminals from decent people, not the other way around. We'd just as soon use badguys as fertilizer.

Sometimes trials are way overrated...

https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.p...5&postcount=36

[Redmanfms]

Not that I don't agree with all of you about the horrible precedent this sets, but I find it both ironic and disturbing that some of the very same people in this thread have advocated military tribunals and summary executions for America government bureaucrats and judges who have violated your sensibilities.

[Belmont31R]

In international law there is a big difference between someone who puts on a uniform.


Uniformed troops do not get the same legal protections as unarmed people in civilian attire. Granted things have a changed a bit since AQ do not wear uniforms but that is where we need to be careful in what our government can do when it comes to combatants not in uniform AND not presenting a clear and present danger.

[Don Robison]

Renouncement of citizenship is at the approval of the state department.

While that is the most commonly known and accepted it's not the only way.
You may want to look at Title 8 Chapter12; there are a few more ways to lose your nationality.

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2010/...i/section1481/