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[Don Robison]

Yes they do. Try not paying your taxes and see what happens.

Taxes (especially income tax) are outright theft. The problem that we have now is that we do not live in a free market, capitalist society. We live in a society in which idiots vote in power hungry retards that steal from hard working people to fund things like the bailouts, cash for clunkers, and all other government programs. If we didn't allow this, we wouldn't have all the problems we have now.

If governments quit backing banks, they would either have to quit gambling so much with their money or they would go out of business and be replaced by banks that don't do stupid things with their money. A bank should be no different than any other business; sometimes they fail and it is the customers job to do their research and put their money in the right establishment. There should never be any guarantee that the bank won't fail and lose all its money (unless someone opens one up that does nothing but sit on the money) because sometimes, no matter how small the risk is, bad things happen. If you don't like that then start storing your money under your mattress.

Everyone who complains about how they lost money that the invested needs to come back down to reality. If you invest in something, there is at least a small chance that it will fail and you will lose all of that money. When that happens it isn't anyone stealing from you, it is business as usual (except the rare cases in which theft is actually occurring through a breach of contract which is an entirely different subject). I seriously doubt that anyone here or anywhere else for that matter had a contract with the people that they invested with that said "We guarantee that you will make money and that you will never lose a dime on this investment."

Wake up and start attacking the actual source of all of our problems. It isn't big business, it is big government.

That's a great post.
For clarification what I mean when I say they don't take them at gun point is that if you use their rules to your advantage you can pay little to no taxes. They take what you say you'll give them unless you just blindly file your taxes without a solid structure in place to avoid tax liability. Reach people didn't get rich by paying what the government told them was their fair share in taxes.
We're not going to do away with a tax system that has been around in one form or fashion for 149 years so people should be educating themselves or paying someone who is educated on how to use the system to their advantage.

[Honu]

RancidSumo post is good and true



I would love to know how many of the people bitching have lived and worked in another country and without a normal job setup meaning you went there and started a business and made money ! and tried to live

then you realize how good we have it while their is corruption head down to Central and South America or over to the EU and know people they have it worse central and south with massive corruption and EU and other places with massive taxes and regulations and such


I dont like the bail outs and am for a very small gov but at the same time I dont go around whining and blaming others in business only the gov !!!!!! they are the real issue here

I bet most anyone here if the gov said hey we are going to give you some money and not let you pay taxes most all here would not say NO WAY I am going to pay and I dont want your money !
most would say thanks


dont let the gov play you learn to vent toward the gov and vote in people who might stop this

[thopkins22]

So you're trying to tell me that if you have a (hypothetical) scale from 0-10 where Cuba ranks 0 with "privatization of business" and the US ranks 10, you would label both sides of the scale as "Capitalism" and say "hey, they may rank a 0 on the scale, but they are still 'capitalist'"???

I'm trying to tell you that a scale judging capitalism from 0-10 is flawed. The worst offenders(certainly like Cuba) definitely have private control of capital. It all happens to be controlled by Castro's cronies, but we see capitalism at play. If in a foreign country I buy a case of Cohiba cigars do we believe that every penny is put into some BS fund and is distributed to all Cubans? Stepping back in time we saw the same thing in the USSR.

There is no truly socialist mecca where everything that comes from "the people" returns to them. Someone is always making money. The differences in our systems of government determine whether that can be anyone with a good idea, or only friends of the powerful. We're drifting further and further towards the latter.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

There was some communist country observer that was once quoted that only in America do people who protest against the wealthy and for socialistic programs drive to the protest in their own cars.

What hacks me most about these nihilists and neo-anarchists is that they spout all this 'tear down the system' and try to use revolutionary imagery and metaphors. Instead of all this postering, I'd wish they'd just shut up and throw down so we can crack some skulls and take out the trash. I'm tired of these Starbuck commandos thinking they are going to come and take my shit and mess the place up.

I love listening to Rage Against the Machine as much as anyone, but if I met Zack de la Rocha in person, I'd give him a swift kick to the nuts.

[armakraut]

I'd sip campaign and flip off those bolsheviks too.

Right now we're having severe problems with speeding up the velocity of money. IE spending, investing, etc. The speed at which money circulates has become anemic. Government has largely made things like healthcare, manufactured goods, and houses artificially expensive, pretty much everything they regulate and tax. Even with the inflation of the currency, people make a whole lot more than they ever have. People are also more dysfunctional than they have ever been, the government encourages divorces, hatred between the sexes and litigious behavior.

Best thing the government could do would be to deregulate most everything, end currency inflation and go back to running the government off of import taxes. The government should study nothing and subsidize nothing. I'm amazed that with all the government does that we are even this well off. A strong engine can handle a mighty load indeed.

If you define wealth concentration as making four times more (inflation adjusted) than you would have in 1940, while rich people are doing much better than that... then I can't help you. That's not bad, that's ****ing awesome. Africa wishes they were that awesome.

In capitalism the poor become less poor over time and the rich become a lot richer. In socialism the poor become dead, everyone else becomes destitute, and the communists become lower middle class.



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You can dick around with the tax rates all you want, people and companies will generally chip in at about 18-20% max.

http://www.qando.net/?tag=tax-rates

But why have to chip in anything at the federal level? The government ran fine when it ran on import taxes alone.

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[Eurodriver]

Many of the people in this thread sound an aweful like the French in the 1790s.

However, this is not France, and Obama is not Louis the XVI

[30 cal slut]

They don't know exactly what they're protesting against

There are a lot of folks in there for the sake of protesting, or to rail about their pet cause

The genuine, well-informed protestors were probably in front of the NY Federal Reserve.

[Just a Jarhead]

Why must "youth always be wasted on the young?"

It's always the 20-30 somethings that think they've got the whole world and all it's ill's all figured out and rarely have they got a clue yet!

[Honu]

I liked some of the video where they were asked why they were their and they say to get rid of greed capitalism and then when they were asked what do you want to replace it with ? they have this blank stupid stare

I wold love to take these idiots and throw them in another country with nothing and say live here a year and then come out see what you think of our country then !
lets send them to Venezuela or other places see how they really like it and let them protest the way they do in those countries then return here and see if they want to destroy what we have ! if they do I say why not move to these other great places that are so much better than us !!!

[Honu]

in some sick way I hope we have a insane collapse then what will these people do when the gov collapses and nobody GIVES them stuff ?
will they resort to stealing ? if so most of us here wont give them a hand and if they come to steal ? well they will find out the hard way that many of us have worked hard prepared and rely on our selves and close friends.
they will learn quickly or die when they have no food and find out the others turn on them etc.. time for a drop of bleach in the gene pool

not saying I want to have a collapse I want to turn it around but maybe we need a collapse to open some peoples eyes ?