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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Also curious how LMT, KAC, and BCM make it off a list that includes Colt, Noveske, and DD.

    Not trying to nit pick, however this seems to be what works best for you and your particular needs.
    +1 on this.

    This is for sure a good thread, but its mostly preference and what sounds like has worked for you over the years.

    I have similar preferences, however there is nothing wrong with Pmags. I also dont agree with not stocking up on ammo. There is nothing wrong with that
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    That, "assault" rifles are automatic, and "military-style" rifles are semi-automatic?

    I'll give ya' a hard time on #6 & 10. Think, end-of-the-world scenario. Think, "currency." ESPECIALLY mags & ammo.
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    Heh! Because those are the ones I have owned that I trust! My post is totally based on my experience. I know absolutely that if you follow my advice you are good. I have never owned a LMT (although I do love their SOPMOD stock) or a BCM. I will say that those are NOT rifles I have owned and had problems with.



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    End of the world scenarious have kept many ammo and mag companies in business for years. Basically, I believe this is just a version of hoarding and OCD. 1000 rounds, 10-15 mags and a spare parts kit is more than plenty IMHO. I have had over 4000 rounds of .223 and 100 AR mags at a time, so believe me, I have been there.

    No reason to take my advice guys. I am just telling you what I think.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    This thread is a good base thread for a sticky.

    I think it would help out with the newbie posters asking the
    "What should I choose" type posts that we all love
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    This is pretty great for anyone starting out. I should have read and listened to this when I first got started.

    Sure you can buy ammo/mags for "other reasons" but getting started for a hobby or whatever, the above make great points for civilians.
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    Let me just say this. Having been a resident of the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia when the Roberti-Roos AWB went into effect and then the 1994 Clinton AWB I can honestly say that if you have some extra money you can divert to magazines and ammo do it.

    I have mags sitting in the safe that are good to go and never been used. More importantly as those who live in ban states can probably attest is getting some additional things to rebuild mags.



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    Just my own opinion- I believe I understand what Mr. Bell is saying.

    About ammo hoarding- Notice he said "keep 1000 rounds sacred". Not "Never have more than 1000 rounds on hand". I take this to mean "Buy ammo as needed and shoot it. Keep a minimum reserve of 1000 rounds on hand but having 100,000 rounds on hand without shooting any of it is useless."

    Another note about ammo- Plain Jane ammo you can afford to shoot is better than fancy ammo you can't. If a bad guy comes knocking with malice aforethought, 30 rounds of 55 gr FMJ is better than no rounds of TAP. If you can afford fancier rounds, no problem. Just don't get wrapped around the axle about it. (I'm guilty of this kind of thinking myself. I still shudder at the idea of using steel cased ammo in my rifles. However, I do plan to get some and try it in my carbine.)

    Magazines- 10-15 magazines at a time is a good place to start. Having more on hand is useless if you never use them. Replace any mags that wear out. If you want more, fine. But don't get so obsessed with hoarding mags that it interferes with shooting. If you've got 15 magazines and you're wondering if you should order more or go shoot this Saturday go shooting!

    Parts- See comments about Ammo & Magazines.

    Fashion Accessories- It's easy to let the "Rule Of Cool" suck money out of your pocket, whether it's looks, a trend such as paying high dollars for more rail estate, shave a few ounces or get something "used by the Delta Seals." Does a theory based product really bring an advantage to the table? Is that improvement really needed or even desirable? For example, I want a quick adjustable sling for my carbine. However the surplus leather HK sling is long enough and is working fine with the exception of being too skinny for comfort. I need a wider sling more than I need the quick adjustment feature.

    Barrel Length- If I understand Mr. Bell's advice about simply choosing a 16" barrel, it's not about going short enough, it's about not going too short. It's taken for granted that the 16" barrel is much handier than the 20" on a working AR. But sometimes we forget that going shorter involves a whole other set of challenges and additional cost. I very much want a 14.5" carbine. Instead, I got a 16" because it cost less money to get it operational and go shooting than going shorter. I figure it's better to shoot a carbine that's not quite perfect than to not shoot because it's not exactly what I think I want. Something Rob and a few other notables have been trying to drive home.

    Overall, I think Mr. Wells post is good advice, a good place to start and a good reminder, especially taken in the spirit it's intended. Thank you, Mr. Bell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Let me just say this. Having been a resident of the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia when the Roberti-Roos AWB went into effect and then the 1994 Clinton AWB I can honestly say that if you have some extra money you can divert to magazines and ammo do it.

    I have mags sitting in the safe that are good to go and never been used. More importantly as those who live in ban states can probably attest is getting some additional things to rebuild mags.
    This is very true. It's one reason I left the PRK. (Another was to raise my sons in a better environment)
    INSIDE PLAN OF BOX
    1. ROAD-RUNNER LIFTS GLASS OF WATER- PULLING UP MATCH
    2. MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
    3. MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
    4. BOOM!
    5. HA-HA!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Bell View Post
    6. Use Gi mags. They are cheap and work fine. Magpul/HK/ETC mags are fine, but improve nothing but bring other stuff to the table like weight, weird covers and cost. Also, don't buy 200 mags. You need about 10. 15 MAX.
    ... Per rifle on hand.

    And if a member of the ban state victimization, as Iraqgunz mentioned, extra parts, extra parts, extra parts.
    Because in those ban states every day can be the last day before that end-of-the-world scenario with but the wave of a pen from some dickwad anti~gunning state gov't whoeverthe**** pushing through thier 'pet legislation'.

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    Thanks for the advice Greg, your post sets this newby on a good track to follow.

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