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Thread: What if we didn't live in a free country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatt View Post
    Everyone thinks I'm crazy but I say every law has to be voted on every ten years or it disappears from the books. We'd have a lot fewer nonsense laws on the books and much more freedom.
    I like that idea, that would eliminate most of the bs that's been passed.

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    A lot of good points made in that video. Certainly the arrow fired by the founding fathers has missed it's mark with our current government. Sadly though, I can't think of any other nation in the world that offers better.

    The one question I have is about his reference to the Civil War. I have heard this mentioned before by others, that it was little more than a Federal power grab. But one of the few real jobs of a federal government is protecting the rights of the citizens, and when half the nation is denying those rights to a large percentage of its people, what else is the federal government to do?

    Could someone please help me understand this line of thought?
    “The ruling class doesn’t care about public safety. Having made it very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an honest mistake.” – former U.S. Sen. Malcolm Wallop (R-Wy.)

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    I haven't watched the video yet (I will tonight) but thought I'd offer my opinion on the post about the Civil War.

    Most people think that the war was over slavery but that is not the case. Lincoln didn't care about slavery (he may have personally but it was not the reason for the war)-

    My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
    http://showcase.netins.net/web/creat...es/greeley.htm

    The war was over preserving the union and not allowing states to leave it. IF the war had actually been about ending slavery then it would be a different story. As it stands though, it was nothing more than the federal government expanding its authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armakraut View Post
    If we didn't live in a free country, we'd have people lighting themselves on fire before they get sent to debtors prison.

    Err, never mind.

    http://freekeene.com/2011/06/16/thom...ustice-system/
    If I have learned anything from this forum it is that he was completely guilty and solely responsible and that is why he could himself. An innocent or righteous person would have simply manned up and fixed it.

    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    If suffering in silence from multiple injustices is the mark of manhood in a cohesive society, these people would be a lot happier in Japan.
    "Life is short, but the years are long." - Robert A. Heinlein

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    If Judge Napolitano ever ran for office he would have my vote.

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    Big +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    If Judge Napolitano ever ran for office he would have my vote.
    Mine too, easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armakraut View Post
    If we didn't live in a free country, we'd have people lighting themselves on fire before they get sent to debtors prison.

    Err, never mind.

    http://freekeene.com/2011/06/16/thom...ustice-system/
    That guy was...

    1. Apparently very poor at paperwork
    2. A dumbass
    3. P.O.S.

    The world is a better place.

    If you become unemployed you can contact your domestic relations office and they will work with your on child support payments.

    Of course maybe he couldve had custody if he hadnt beat his daughter.
    Last edited by J-Dub; 10-05-11 at 14:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Dub View Post
    That guy was...

    1. Apparently very poor at paperwork
    2. A dumbass
    3. P.O.S.

    The world is a better place.

    If you become unemployed you can contact your domestic relations office and they will work with your on child support payments.

    Of course maybe he couldve had custody if he hadnt beat his daughter.
    Pretty harsh judgement without knowing all the facts. This guy is far from alone and some estimates state that as much as 18,000 men commit suicide a year due to similar circumstances involving divorce and child support. Smacking a child doesn't constitute beating in any sense of the word.

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