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    No, but I am known to often times have a suppressed SBR in das Auto just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robb Jensen View Post
    Actually it does. There are two classifications of firearms Title 1 (non-NFA) and Title 2 (NFA). Removing a stock from a Title 1 (non-NFA) shotgun makes it an 'other' but it's still a Title 1 firearm but it's now a Title 1 'other' just like a 'receiver'. Example: If we (I work for an FFL) receive a Remington 870 Express HD shotgun which ships with a stock on it this shotgun can be transferred to an 18 yr old or older person. IF WE HOWEVER remove the stock and install only a pistol grip in its place it before the transfer occurs then has to be transferred to a 21yr or older because per ATF definitions on the 4473 it's now an 'other' and not a shotgun designed to be fired from the shoulder. If you want to shoot a pistol grip only shotgun from the shoulder please let me know how that works out for you and please post pics!
    I think you getting a bit confused. Taking a shotgun and removing the stock does not change the classification any more then taking the stock off an AR. Once the firearm leaves the factory it is what it is. Once a shotgun leaves the manufacture it is a shotgun period. It can be made into a title 2 firearm, a SBS, but not an AOW.

    A pistolgrip shotgun, configured as such from the manufacture can be made into an AOW.

    Re-read the ATF opinion on the PG shotgun. It clearly states it must leave the factory with the pistol grip installed. Then it transfers as other.

    If what your saying is correct then you could take the stock off of an AR and transfer it to me as "other", which I could then make into a pistol. This is wrong.

    Bottom line is once a rifle or shotgun leaves the manufacture it is a rifle or shotgun unless it is made into a title 2 firearm, either a firearm made from a rifle (SBR) or a firearm made from a shotgun (SBS). There is no other option.
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    I'm not confused at all. Im speaking as an FFL dealer. A receiver isn't a long gun and thus cannot be transferred by a dealer to less than 21 yr old. Yes a receiver can be made into whatever like rifle, pistol or shotgun or 'other' as a Title 1 firearm or with an approved Form 1 into a Title 2 firearm. Or into a Title 2 firearm on a Form 2 by a Licensed NFA manufacturer.

    Quote Originally Posted by iNeXile View Post
    I think you getting a bit confused. Taking a shotgun and removing the stock does not change the classification any more then taking the stock off an AR. Once the firearm leaves the factory it is what it is. Once a shotgun leaves the manufacture it is a shotgun period. It can be made into a title 2 firearm, a SBS, but not an AOW.

    A pistolgrip shotgun, configured as such from the manufacture can be made into an AOW.

    Re-read the ATF opinion on the PG shotgun. It clearly states it must leave the factory with the pistol grip installed. Then it transfers as other.

    If what your saying is correct then you could take the stock off of an AR and transfer it to me as "other", which I could then make into a pistol. This is wrong.

    Bottom line is once a rifle or shotgun leaves the manufacture it is a rifle or shotgun unless it is made into a title 2 firearm, either a firearm made from a rifle (SBR) or a firearm made from a shotgun (SBS). There is no other option.
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