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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    In regards to this post, do you have any clue who you are talking to? Why don't you ask before talking to someone like. I bet in person this response would have been a HELL OF A LOT different.

    Like zushwa, I have an 8" PSD. Not my favorite and I prefer my mk18, but does that make me a ****ing retard??

    This shit here is getting stupid.
    I wasn't targeting one person. I was making a blanket statement.

    I have faith in your shooting ability, based on PMs you've sent me in the past about your job.

    PSD works for you? Bitchin'!

    Does that mean you aren't robbing the round of real performance, and ****ing up a suppressor? Nope.

    Also, all the merits of a 7.5'' gun go out the window and backfire when a can is added.

    Sorry if it sounded like I was being hostile. I wasn't targeting anybody, I rarely RARELY do that.

    But 7.5'' guns are very easily screwed up. If I wanted a gun that size, I'd go MP5, or if I had the option KAC PDW.

    Those can be suppressed, and are reliable. (Well... MP5 is proven. I have faith in the PDW though.)

    My responce wouldn't have been different in the slightest.

    Why? Because I wasn't being an asshole at a particular person.

    I was simply stating my opinion that a 7.5'' AR is similar in practicality to a 10.3'' Glock pistol barrel.

    A Mk. 18 can do it all, 10x better. And be suppressed properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost__1 View Post
    The second is I wish to ask the op about which companies he found warranty them that short as I have a pea diablo upper is like to tame a bit.
    Certain models from OPS Inc, Thunderbeast Arms, Griffin Armament, AAC, and probably HTG but I am still waiting for an email reply to confirm. A couple of the above might only go down to 8" vice 7.5"
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    Quote Originally Posted by zushwa View Post
    Also for the why?? Because I ****ing can. Because it's cool.
    At this right there, you should stop listening to everyone elses opinions. If that is why you want it, then nothing else is valid.

    Shits and giggles are both valid reasons to own something. They aren't utilitarian uses, but **** it. If it's just something you want, it's something you want. It's his money, he asked a simple question.

    Again, the name of the platform is a PSD.
    PSD is the name of the detail that carries "PDWs" or Personal Defense Weapons. PSD is Personal Security Detail, just for your know-how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by codlinjr View Post
    yes but also for me is the additional cost of a 30cal suppressor and the ammo components. i have a large stash of 5.56 ammo/components already and have a (nearly) unlimited supply of it from my dept.

    however the more i research the 300AAC the more it interest me...
    The good news is that a can like the 762-SDN-6 from AAC can be used on other calibers. It's the first can that really started to change my mind about civilian silencer ownership (after already owning three myself) being a complete waste of money. With the wide range of calibers/rifles the SDN-6 can fit on and the shorter length than the previous model it's pretty close to a do-all can. You could get a mount and stick it on your bolt gun, among other things.

    It is, of course, slightly bigger and heavier than the equivalent 5.56

    M4-2000
    Weight: 17.1 oz
    Length: 6.625"

    762-SDN-6
    Weight: 19.85oz
    Length: 7.66"


    Another downside of suppressing 5.56 at that barrel length is that you're likely going to want a brake to help protect the blast baffle from accelerated wear, and a brake on a 7.5" gun isn't something I'd want to spend much time shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost__1 View Post
    First off I wanna say thanks to the members here who have contributed at least something to the thread. I have no words for others.
    That's cute. You pick the one reply you like.

    There's another AR related website that will agree with you 99 percent of the time I bet!
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    You guys are killing me. In no particular order;

    Thanks for the compliments about my shop and our business. I appreciate it.

    PSD is the platform that LWRC makes, and it's targeted toward a specific job. I'm pretty sure I know the job descriptions and what the mission is.

    Mr. Magic, you called someone, and in particular, ME, an idiot. Don't start backpedaling now.

    Markm, Good job trying to marginalize my comment with the pellet gun comment. 5.56 and 7.5-8 inch barrel AR's are being used RIGHT NOW in the fight. My point is that even though it is not optimal, it is lethal. Pellet gun?? Not so much.

    Agreed, 5.56 is less than ideal from a barrel that short. There are other advantages to running an AR platform with a barrel that short, such as weapons manipulations, commonality in parts and accessories, and round availability.

    Are there other guns that might be better?? Maybe. Do any of you own and work with a multitude of weapons of that ilk?? Any of the posters in this thread done any side by side comparisons of a 7.5-8 inch AR, MP5, KAC PDW, AAC Blackout?? Ease of concealment?? Terminal ballistics?? Accuracy at intended ranges?? Ability to use in vehicles?? Anyone?? ANYONE?? Or is this just the "I read some shit on a forum once" crowd??

    If the OP, or anyone, wants to build a gun that short, then give him advice, or some logical advantages or disadvantages. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    That's cute. You pick the one reply you like.

    There's another AR related website that will agree with you 99 percent of the time I bet!
    Actually markm I was just simply saying thanks because I might have an interest in this subject and someone whom I know responded with good info. If you can find a post I get butthurt in when someone said something I didnt like is be amazed. I think anyone who been here long enough knows your attitude. It doesn't bother me in the bit and I wouldn't hesitate to take your advice on a lot. I have an ability to pull the substance out of a conversation and leave the shit if you will. What I meant by no word for the others was more long the lines of no words. That means good or bad but if I hurt your feelings thats my bad.

    Op thanks for sharing your list for me. I'll have to go back and call around. I was under the understanding that mostly just warranted down to 10.3".
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    Quote Originally Posted by zushwa View Post
    You guys are killing me. In no particular order;

    Thanks for the compliments about my shop and our business. I appreciate it.

    PSD is the platform that LWRC makes, and it's targeted toward a specific job. I'm pretty sure I know the job descriptions and what the mission is.

    Mr. Magic, you called someone, and in particular, ME, an idiot. Don't start backpedaling now.

    Markm, Good job trying to marginalize my comment with the pellet gun comment. 5.56 and 7.5-8 inch barrel AR's are being used RIGHT NOW in the fight. My point is that even though it is not optimal, it is lethal. Pellet gun?? Not so much.

    Agreed, 5.56 is less than ideal from a barrel that short. There are other advantages to running an AR platform with a barrel that short, such as weapons manipulations, commonality in parts and accessories, and round availability.

    Are there other guns that might be better?? Maybe. Do any of you own and work with a multitude of weapons of that ilk?? Any of the posters in this thread done any side by side comparisons of a 7.5-8 inch AR, MP5, KAC PDW, AAC Blackout?? Ease of concealment?? Terminal ballistics?? Accuracy at intended ranges?? Ability to use in vehicles?? Anyone?? ANYONE?? Or is this just the "I read some shit on a forum once" crowd??

    If the OP, or anyone, wants to build a gun that short, then give him advice, or some logical advantages or disadvantages. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time.
    Golf clap.

    After handling a 6.8 PSD and hearing about its AK-equivalent-ballistics-in-a-MP5-size package, I think this setup is particularly well suited for certain applications- particularly around vehicles. With a proper 7.62 can, you've got huge potential and flexibility for using that can on a big variety of calibers.

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    Has anyone ever Chrono'd a 7.5"?

    I wonder what the velocity is on say M855 and a .223
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    Quote Originally Posted by zushwa View Post
    Mr. Magic, you called someone, and in particular, ME, an idiot. Don't start backpedaling now.
    I will start backpedaling because I wasn't intentionally calling anybody out.

    I posted before you entered the thread.

    BTW: Is your PSD in 6.8 or 5.56mm?
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