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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I can also sit around worrying that the international space station will fall out of the sky and whack me in the head. Finding things to be concerned about with no evidence that they are even remotely possible is kind of nuts IMO.
    Nuts? WTF? You are certainly free to dress up your guns with Punisher graphics or whatever you like. If you have access to the database of the entire history of civil lawsuits that involved defensive shootings and are certain that there were no jury decisions based on the defendant's choice of equipment, please say so and share with us. Otherwise, keep your diagnoses to yourself. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    we all know about the Ruger 556 incident with bikers, the HK employee, etc. so let's skip that one and at the very least acknowledge that it's old. and Harry Beckwith shot a man with an M16 and held down the rest of his posse with a S&W 9mm subgun so at the very least type of arm has caselaw in both directions.
    Thanks for posting the Beckwith story. I'd not read that one before. A lot to study in that one. I'd love to read the official report instead of Ayoob's usual over-dramatic account.

    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I can also sit around worrying that the international space station will fall out of the sky and whack me in the head. Finding things to be concerned about with no evidence that they are even remotely possible is kind of nuts IMO.
    I have mixed feelings about this subject. It comes up a lot here, and I appreciate the reality based arguments folks make. Those that say you will be in trouble over such things are clearly wrong. It's correct to say that over-stressing about it is unnecessary. But I don't think preferring a gun without "restricted" LE markings is "nuts".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kissel View Post
    Nuts? WTF? You are certainly free to dress up your guns with Punisher graphics or whatever you like. If you have access to the database of the entire history of civil lawsuits that involved defensive shootings and are certain that there were no jury decisions based on the defendant's choice of equipment, please say so and share with us. Otherwise, keep your diagnoses to yourself. Thanks.


    Over-sensitive much?

    All I asked you to do was fine ONE case, and instead you restored to hysteria based on one off-the-cuff word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake'sDad View Post
    I don't think preferring a gun without "restricted" LE markings is "nuts".
    I didn't say that it was, I said that worrying that it might be a legal liability with ZERO ability to point to case law that demonstrates it has been an issue in the past is "nuts".

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    Put a piece of tape over the restriction if it scares you.

    Or a picture of Chris Costa or something that makes you feel warm and safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I didn't say that it was, I said that worrying that it might be a legal liability with ZERO ability to point to case law that demonstrates it has been an issue in the past is "nuts".
    And I disagree with that. In my experience, LE and prosecutors often used relatively benign things to infer to the jury, a defendant was bad or questionable. Defense attorneys did the same thing. I was questioned about lots of stupid and immaterial shit by them.

    I'm not arguing this example is a problem. I appreciate your arguing against FUD. But to think nothing can be an issue, without prior case law, is perhaps a little naive. How many civilian shootings involving LE "restricted" marked guns do you think there have been?

    I don't know if there's case law on "I don't call 911" or "Forget the Dog, Beware of Owner" signs either, but I would advise against them. I don't think it's "nuts" to imagine how that could be perceived, if the ski masked burglar you shoot at 2 AM turns out to be the 13 year old from down the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post


    Over-sensitive much?

    All I asked you to do was fine ONE case, and instead you restored to hysteria based on one off-the-cuff word.
    Not hysteria; refusal to accept personal attacks. Words have meaning and they should be chosen with great care. Formulate your own opinions and act accordingly. I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djegators View Post
    Yeah, that was going to my question rob, as in exactly how much better does the "M4" roll mark perform?
    It should "perform" better in the marketplace . I would give it a hard look if I was buying today. It is set up the way I like and the roll mark is a bonus.
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    "...if the ski masked burglar you shoot at 2 AM turns out to be the 13 year old from down the street."

    I think this a great example of what some of us are trying to say. I'm not as worried about defending my use of lethal force in self defense against a career criminal, as I am against the same UoF on a poor misguided youth.

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    And as usual, the truth is in the middle. Crazy FUD about you will be arrested, sued, etc., if you use handloads, customized gun, an EBR, whatever, is just that, FUD. But to say that trying to avoid possible negative distractions is being "nuts", is a bit too far as well.

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