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Me too. I'm intrigued as to how it's different from a normal carbine buffer on the inside...since it sounds like it's identical size-wise.
I suppose the size of the internal weights was altered to allow for more tungsten-steel combinations...maybe giving finer control over the total weight of the buffer? I'm staying tuned.....
I carried an M16A2 with the standard style M4 collapsible stock for Basic Training. I did not remember any sort of markings on the buffer. I would have definitely noticed if there was some sort of "H" marking on it. As far as my eye could tell, it *looked* like a regular carbine buffer.
In terms of reliability, in all of BCT (maybe 200 live rounds and a couple blanks) I only had one double-feed.
The configuration certainly worked--I collapsed the stock all the way for vehicles and MOUT, but extended it all the way for longer range marksmanship. If you can save space and still retain rifle-length ballistics, I don't see why it's a bad thing.
form over function much?.... who cares what it looks like as long as it does its desired mission... the B-52 may be known as the BUFF but its done the job for 60 years...
I'm just wondering why it has taken until now for this type of change to occur... makes no sense to have Marines short stocking to clear a building when this system provides a compromise...
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From another tread on LF:
Originally posted by Armtech:
The M16 Series Rifle Sliding Buttstock Conversion Kit consists of all standard M4/M4A1 NSN parts EXCEPT for the H6 Buffer Assembly. The H6 Buffer Assembly contains "6" tungsten buffer weights. The buffer body also has a different part number, but I think that is only because it has an H6 marking.For the LOGI's:Originally posted by Armtech:
Robert, No problem. I found some more info while keeping my desk chair from floating away...
The H6 Buffer weighs the same as the standard M16A2 Buffer (0.32 lbs.). For those with DTIC access https://www.dtic.mil/DOAC/home.search, there are a few test reports that discuss this configuration. Do a search for "m16 upper hybrid." The Endurance and Temperature Test results document nearly 200,000 rounds fired.
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Last edited by DMR; 10-22-11 at 21:18.
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I would hope these are the proper kits installed onto these weapons, and not someone just grabbing parts to give it a carbine stock.
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These have been approved for about a year, although not widely disseminated. I'm also pretty sure the vendors have not released them commercially. I've seen several locally and if the are in use at a Basic training site you can almost bet they are the NSN approved parts.
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Here is some speculation on the H6 buffer.
Here's a reference picture that needs no introduction.
By all reports, the H6 is just like a normal carbine buffer, except stead of 3 weights, there are 6 shorter weights, for a total rating of "H2.5".
This would allow 6 rubber bumpers, instead of three.
Note, the rifle buffer has 5 weights and 5 bumpers.
There must be some damping/bolt bounce benefit of having the extra bumpers to go along with the extra weight.
Probably smooths things out.
If so, this H6 buffer may be the one to have if sticking with the CAR length tube vs the longer A5.
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