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    Quote Originally Posted by polydeuces View Post
    Am I the only one who caught this?
    PSA is basically giving an Aimpoint Pro to anyone getting their Patrol rifle, while SKD won't sell it unless you're " (LE/Mil/Govt/Security Only) "
    http://www.skdtac.com/Aimpoint_PRO_P..._p/aim.310.htm

    Dûh...?



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    Yet apparently no restrictions on the PSA Patrol rifle witht Aimpoint Pro?
    Hmmmm....my inner opportunist says maybe I should get one. Keep the red-dot, sell the rifle. If I had the money to do it. If only.

    BIG PS - not bashing SKD - those guys are definitely GTG - just wondering how this works for PSA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by punkey71 View Post
    I don't own a PSA but am very interested in them.

    I've read several threads about mis-aligned feed ramps and it seems all the pics in this thread show just that. I realize the M16/AR15 platform functioned for decades prior to M4 ramps but it says something to me regarding quality.

    If you have all the right specs but don't put it together with the same attention to detail it seems to fall short in my eyes.

    Critical fail? No. I'm sure they "shoot great" and "function just fine" in 99% (if not all) users hands.

    It just rubs me the wrong way.

    ...or maybe I'm just seeing things.

    Harold
    My feedramps are pictured in this thread and they aren't misaligned at all? If you look at the center "triangle" it sits square & centered. Maybe it's just the photograph?

    I've seen pics of some that are not, but mine must have been put together on a good day?
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    I was thinking for a while that they were making good stuff. Hopefully they step up their QC and QA or things are going to start going downhill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    In addition to the oversight from PSA this also goes to show you that many people simply do not know how to inspect a weapon properly BEFORE they fire it, or they simply didn't do it.

    Yes, I just posted this on another forum:

    PSA having/had an issue just letting you know how they handled it.

    Browseing AR15.com found two threads from two different people whom received new uppers from PSA that had the wrong gas tube.

    They fired it and it didn't eject caseing. Now if it was me I would've noticed as soon as it was lifted out of the box, as I inspect, clean and lube my weapons before firing ESPECIALLY if they're new to my possesion. I've only been into AR's just a little more than two years! duh

    No excuse to being new to an AR15...... KNOW YOUR PLATFORM!...even if you a shooter (with any gun) this is an engrained practice.

    I can understand the frustration and scorn I saw in the related post from members.

    HOWEVER, Palmetto chimed in a very short length of time considering these threads were made evening of yesterday.

    This is from Palmetto

    " Thank you for the post and the responses.

    We at Palmetto State Armory take building AR's seriously and are conducting an investigation. We have QC in place to make sure all uppers are assembled correctly, and we record who makes what and when. There are 6 different checks in the QC process dealing with the gas tube, so the QC process was obviously ignored. When we ascertain who let these ship, they will be working elsewhere.

    We believe there were only a few of these, but we ask that customers who have this issue contact customer service immediately to have a call tag issued. Customers with this issue will be compensated for the inconvenience with 5 free PSA D&H magazines.

    We apologize for the inconvenience.
    "

    Fine job PSA!

    I'm pretty sure those two uppers came from the same person that was either swamped, mad, or just didn't know what they are doing.
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    Yeah I'm not sure how an "armorer" can put an upper together and not realize that the gas tube is too short and doesn't reach the upper However, everything I hear (and from my limited experience) about PSA's CS is that they strive to be a top-notch outfit. My guess is they will remedy the situation...

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    You know I noticed that too when I was looking at the PRO for a real optic to replace my Vortex SPARC with.

    I saw that disclaimer then thought back to this PSA rifle combo...and was like, "hmmm is there something I'm missing here?"

    But I will most likely save up and get the T1, so I didn't think anymore about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breadstick View Post
    Yes, I just posted this on another forum:

    PSA having/had an issue just letting you know how they handled it.

    Browseing AR15.com found two threads from two different people whom received new uppers from PSA that had the wrong gas tube.

    They fired it and it didn't eject caseing. Now if it was me I would've noticed as soon as it was lifted out of the box, as I inspect, clean and lube my weapons before firing ESPECIALLY if they're new to my possesion. I've only been into AR's just a little more than two years! duh

    No excuse to being new to an AR15...... KNOW YOUR PLATFORM!...even if you a shooter (with any gun) this is an engrained practice.

    I can understand the frustration and scorn I saw in the related post from members.

    HOWEVER, Palmetto chimed in a very short length of time considering these threads were made evening of yesterday.

    This is from Palmetto

    " Thank you for the post and the responses.

    We at Palmetto State Armory take building AR's seriously and are conducting an investigation. We have QC in place to make sure all uppers are assembled correctly, and we record who makes what and when. There are 6 different checks in the QC process dealing with the gas tube, so the QC process was obviously ignored. When we ascertain who let these ship, they will be working elsewhere.

    We believe there were only a few of these, but we ask that customers who have this issue contact customer service immediately to have a call tag issued. Customers with this issue will be compensated for the inconvenience with 5 free PSA D&H magazines.

    We apologize for the inconvenience.
    "

    Fine job PSA!

    I'm pretty sure those two uppers came from the same person that was either swamped, mad, or just didn't know what they are doing.
    Interesting. As a business owner I would remedy the situation very similarly. Stand behind your product - fix the mistakes w/o question - right the wrong - move forward

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    While I understand that the gas-tube error is serious, as well as obvious, the incident does not appear to be common.

    I have read, and continue to read, more positive comments about PSA than any negative reports. I own a PSA upper and it has all the proper parts in all the proper places. At the range, it functions properly. I haven't had a single reason to regret my purchase.

    It's easy for someone to make a concerted effort to taint a person's character or product's reliability. The liberals did that with the Surgeon General appointment some years ago. PSA is the new kid and an easy target. The really important aspect is HOW they rectify their error. More time is necessary to make a good decision about PSA.





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    NIce review and I must admit that the package with the PRO is an amazing offer, if all is well.

    As for the other issue mentioned, I normally steer clear of threads such as this, especially at TOS. However the gas tube issue is ridiculous especially considering it doesn't even make it into the upper. I will emphasize as does my post at TOS, that I am always eager for new, high quality manufacturers to emerge and to put out quality products as that only helps the consumer. I am also glad that the manufacturer intends to deal with the situation in the manner that they stated, but it really makes me wonder wtf led up to having employees of that caliber assembling weapons or uppers to begin with? The manufacturer acknowledged that a certain amount are known with this same issue. That was either intentional by more than one person working in cahoots, or flat out idiots making weapons AND a failure or complete lack of QC. I know apprentices start off and learn somewhere but wrong gas tube length? With 6 QC checks in place, yet it still makes it out the door? That takes a lot of incompetence choreographed precisely to come up with that kind of symphony.

    Originally Posted By SSDSurf
    I have zero issues or personal opinions on the manufacturer as I have not used any of their final product. I have no affiliation with any manufacturer or dealer and I always appreciate and hope for more competent competition in the market as we the consumers are the ones who benefit from that. Having said that.....

    6 quality control checks in place and it still goes out the door? I can't even imagine someone who has even the most basic levels of knowledge in regards to assembly of this platform to get that wrong. That person was either doing it wrong on purpose or they had no right to be doing this assembly work to begin with. Hell a monkey the first day on the job could get the right length gas tube. I would hope that more than one person would handle the upper and QC inspection of the final upper definitely should be another person, so it is beyond me how that could escape more than one person? It should be impossible at least as far as the gas tube length is concerned, unless if they are all in cahoots or they are all incompetent hired persons. How do you install a gas tube and not understand it doesn't go into the upper? How the hell do you check to ensure proper tube alignment with the carrier key without a darn tube in the upper? How do you test fire for function? Not everyone may test fire an upper, but they should. I know errors happen in the industry and accept that but I can't comprehend how this type of error can even possibly happen during assembly, not to mention get out the door unless if total incompetent people were hired and doing the job, or they are all in on it together. In either case, it speaks volumes. More people than just those on the assembly line or QC inspectors who handled the items need to be looking for a new job. They guy who hired and / or trained them should be looking for one also.

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