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[Iraqgunz]

I know this has been discussed more than once. Hillary can say whatever she wants and so can Obama. It doesn't mean squat because it has to be approved by Congress.

Not only that, but the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. That means if this were to somehow pass it would be found null and void as it goes against the Bill of Rights.

If I am wrong someone please correct me.

[Belmont31R]

Treaties have to be approved by 2/3rds of the Senate.


They also have to pass constitutional muster. You simply can't pass a treaty to bypass the Constitution of the US.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Reid vs. Covert also established that international treaties do not supercede the Constitution.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Covert

[Belmont31R]

http://supreme.justia.com/constituti...aty-power.html

[Iraqgunz]

I should have clarified- Senate. All too often I just say Congress. But, in any case you have basically spelled it out.

[Belmont31R]

I should have clarified- Senate. All too often I just say Congress. But, in any case you have basically spelled it out.

It is still dangerous, though. We are basically one vote in SCOTUS away from having the 2nd gutted. God forbid Obama gets to select another justice (replacing a conservative one). I have no faith that a liberal majority would uphold previous decisions or not got full bore on their "guns are for militias" dissent they gave out during Heller and McDonald.


I would have more faith over the long haul that the Senate would not have 2/3rds majority to flush away part of the BOR than SCOTUS.

[Javelin]

It is still dangerous, though. We are basically one vote in SCOTUS away from having the 2nd gutted. God forbid Obama gets to select another justice (replacing a conservative one). I have no faith that a liberal majority would uphold previous decisions or not got full bore on their "guns are for militias" dissent they gave out during Heller and McDonald.


I would have more faith over the long haul that the Senate would not have 2/3rds majority to flush away part of the BOR than SCOTUS.

Completely agree. And they are trying to throw out Clarence Thomas... for what reasons... probably this one.

[Ironman8]

Don't forget that BO has bypassed Congress numerous times including sending troops to foreign countries and EVEN TODAY the announcement has been made that BO has yet again bypassed Congress to implement a new "economic plan" that will "help" those who aren't qualifying for home loans to qualify!

I wouldn't put anything pass the current administration to TRY to do something about gun confiscation, but I don't think they have the manpower to do it. There are a few scenarios that I can see going down with this type of power grab, but I think they know that they are biting off more than they can chew if they tried anything now or in the near future.

ETA: Just started reading the article...yes I posted before reading...my bad. But I found it funny that the first paragraph is basically what I wrote above! Hmmm...

[SteyrAUG]

I have seen enough dramatic changes in my lifetime I know anythings possible. I don't even want to get into how much things have changed from the time my Dad was in his early 20s or my Grandfather.

[Honu]

these days ?
at almost 50 I have seen some radical changes
my dad in his early 80s cant believe the things he sees going on

I wonder what people in other countries said before their fall ? I wonder if they though OH never happen to us
I wonder what the Jews in Germany thought ? oh it will be OK
I know what some people thought about Pearl Harbor and did not see it coming

I am afraid we are going to have to have a serious fight though to protect our rights and constitution in our lifetime like a fight we have never seen before

my kids wont be able to just go jet ski where ever they want etc.
wont be able to ride their dirt bike down the road to get to the trails heck the trails will be closed most likely
wont be able to go shoot where ever and go to the gravel pits and have fun shooting stuff up without complaints !
schools are no where near the same we now homeschool

fact that obama jokes about bypassing congress (like said above)
facts about the new home loan kids loan and him bypassing congress

baby steps baby steps !!!