Eric Holder and DOJ Out to Gut the Freedom of Information Act

[BrianS]

So these are proposed changes to the law or to regulations regarding the law?

If the former we can write our representatives. Why would a Republican controlled House approve of this with a Democrat President in the WH? Generally they only stupidly rubber stamp bad law when the R's and D's in Congress and the WH line up.

If it is just a "rule change" in the regs that actually flesh out the USC, well, that pretty much serves to illustrate why so much of our law being defined outside the legal process by the bureaucracy is dangerous doesn't it?

Hey, at least the rule change proposals are still open and public. In a real tyranny they wouldn't even confirm or deny that! Sometimes not even what the actual rules are!

[glocktogo]

So these are proposed changes to the law or to regulations regarding the law?

If the former we can write our representatives. Why would a Republican controlled House approve of this with a Democrat President in the WH? Generally they only stupidly rubber stamp bad law when it suits their need for more power.

Fixed it for ya. The only difference between voting "R" or "D", is which rights you'd prefer to loose first.

[BrianS]

Fixed it for ya.

No, if you look carefully they generally manage to object on "principle" when the opposing party is proposing the power grab AND they have the votes to stop it. When they have the votes in Congress and the Presidency they rubber stamp it.

Look at the first two years of the Obama presidency and all the stupid shit that got rammed down our throats and the first six years of Bush the Younger for evidence.

[Belmont31R]

So these are proposed changes to the law or to regulations regarding the law?

If the former we can write our representatives. Why would a Republican controlled House approve of this with a Democrat President in the WH? Generally they only stupidly rubber stamp bad law when the R's and D's in Congress and the WH line up.

If it is just a "rule change" in the regs that actually flesh out the USC, well, that pretty much serves to illustrate why so much of our law being defined outside the legal process by the bureaucracy is dangerous doesn't it?

Hey, at least the rule change proposals are still open and public. In a real tyranny they wouldn't even confirm or deny that! Sometimes not even what the actual rules are!

Congress is lazy and so far outside of its scope they generally put provisions in the laws they pass for the department to come up with regulations to enforce the law or allow them to define certain legal aspects. Like how the ATF gets to decide a shoe string is a machine gun.


So DOJ is proprosing an internal regulatory change in how they handle FOIA requests. They may be outside the scope of the law or their regulatory authority but that would have to be hashed out in the courts. Checks and balances...


This is why big government is so inefficient. Congress does not have the time to go over everything with a fine tooth comb like we deserve and should expect them to. Laws are often poorly written and they hand over their job to other branches. The judiciary is slow and the average citizen cannot afford justice before the courts. The feds can throw millions of dollars into a case against a guy who makes 20k a year defending their schemes. If this rule took effect and you filed a FOIA request which was denied what are you going to do about it?

[khc3]

Holder must feel like he can get away with anything, and I don't see anything to dispute that view.

This is a man who was lectured in a Senate hearing by Robert Byrd that his conduct during the Marc Rich pardon would forever make him unfit to serve in a position of public trust, and now he's our AG.

[BrianS]

This is a man who was lectured in a Senate hearing by Robert Byrd that his conduct during the Marc Rich pardon would forever make him unfit to serve in a position of public trust, and now he's our AG.

A black man being lectured by a former Klansman on his fitness to serve in a position of public trust must have been a real hoot.

Is this on video anywhere?

[VooDoo6Actual]

The secret Iran Israel oil pipeline and Marc Rich the king of oil
"Pioneer of Globalization" imo, not by a longshot but interesting moniker...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaxwuW4qww8

Glencore Firm

http://www.glencore.com/history.php

[Redmanfms]

Not everyone does.

The hard working honest guy gets the same shitty government as everyone else. And he is powerless to make anyone else more honest and accountable.

In reality my ability to control things mostly ends at my property line unless I'm willing to engage in illegal activity.

Isn't democracy wonderful......




Of course, the Founders saw this coming and conspicuously made us NOT a democracy, but don't tell the left that.

[HK51Fan]

this world, not just this country, has had it and is coming to a boiling point. I truly believe with the advent of the internet you can no longer hide shit from the public. I shudder to think of all of the bullshit the populace has been fed over the years!
look at the sorry scumbags who are in charge of this country! Do you think these are isolated incidents, the lying, cheating, drugs, homosexuality, thievery? Fuk no......this shit has been going on forever! But with the internet we now see this shit. I don't even look to news for most.......ummm news anymore!

people all over the world see what the hell is going on. and we see what the hell we're doing to other countries. We aren't being fed the sound bites and "cleaned" video feeds that were the norm when I was a kid. This shit doesn't fly anymore.

There is change coming........and the status quo is no longer acceptable.

[Trajan]

this world, not just this country, has had it and is coming to a boiling point. I truly believe with the advent of the internet you can no longer hide shit from the public. I shudder to think of all of the bullshit the populace has been fed over the years!
look at the sorry scumbags who are in charge of this country! Do you think these are isolated incidents, the lying, cheating, drugs, homosexuality, thievery? Fuk no......this shit has been going on forever! But with the internet we now see this shit. I don't even look to news for most.......ummm news anymore!

people all over the world see what the hell is going on. and we see what the hell we're doing to other countries. We aren't being fed the sound bites and "cleaned" video feeds that were the norm when I was a kid. This shit doesn't fly anymore.

There is change coming........and the status quo is no longer acceptable.

Actually, the government (both parties) are trying to stop that too.

'Rogue websites' bill introduced in US House
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1


Internet NKVD/Gestapo.

Sure, its just music/movies/games, but the organization will be in place to take down whatever sites No. 1 doesn't like.