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    Quote Originally Posted by Krull View Post
    I do prefer the DI on the Armalite as that was the way it was invented,but one thing I do enjoy pointing out to people:

    Next to the M16/M4/AR there has been,I think if I read right,three DI guns put out in mass the Ljungman,MAS 49/56,and the Armalite;of those the MAS is the only one next to the Armalite that's seen any use of note.

    The piston guns are the most used and designed along with a few recoil operated ones...so really the DI system isn't that widespread.

    On topic:I suppose if someone is going to get a piston AR right Colt would be one.
    The AR isn't a DI system. From the original patent- “This invention is a true expanding gas system instead of the conventional impinging gas system.”

    If you study each system, you'll see Eugene Stoner was correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    The AR isn't a DI system. From the original patent- “This invention is a true expanding gas system instead of the conventional impinging gas system.”

    If you study each system, you'll see Eugene Stoner was correct
    I've heard that,anyway you look at it it's funny that the system is used on only one gun and nobody is fighting in a line to use it again.

    Granted it does work well just odd that new stuff is piston...and when you think of it the same with the M9 not many guns have used the P38 locking system (I think one other too)

    We're just unique snowflakes with our odd weapons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krull View Post
    I've heard that,anyway you look at it it's funny that the system is used on only one gun and nobody is fighting in a line to use it again.

    Granted it does work well just odd that new stuff is piston...and when you think of it the same with the M9 not many guns have used the P38 locking system (I think one other too)

    We're just unique snowflakes with our odd weapons
    The 92 is a very reliable pistol. Nothing wrong with it's locking system. The open top is the only major issue it has. Don't give me that breaking locking block bull either. The 3rd gen locking blocks go for over 100k as proven by a notable competition shooter. The brigadier slide fixed any slide breaking issues as well.

    Enough derail, apologies.

    As for the AR, no one is building new Stoner type rifles because the consumer is convinced that a piston mounted in a block above the barrel is the end all solution. In reality, unless you are shooting suppressed, full auto and from a short barrel, there are more negatives than benefits.

    I'm not sure why people are willingly adding more parts to a system, moving the recoil impulse OFF the bore axis and adding weight near the front of their rifles.

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    The AR may be the only rifle of it's sort, but it also is one of the most prominent and significant rifles worldwide. There is only one other weapon that competes with it on that scale, and it has downsides for issue to literate soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krull View Post
    I do prefer the DI on the Armalite as that was the way it was invented,but one thing I do enjoy pointing out to people:

    Next to the M16/M4/AR there has been,I think if I read right,three DI guns put out in mass the Ljungman,MAS 49/56,and the Armalite;of those the MAS is the only one next to the Armalite that's seen any use of note.

    The piston guns are the most used and designed along with a few recoil operated ones...so really the DI system isn't that widespread.

    On topic:I suppose if someone is going to get a piston AR right Colt would be one.
    That would be an interesting observation if the Ar-15 and AR-10 were DI guns....they are not DI btw.


    Quote Originally Posted by Krull View Post
    I've heard that,anyway you look at it it's funny that the system is used on only one gun and nobody is fighting in a line to use it again.

    Granted it does work well just odd that new stuff is piston...and when you think of it the same with the M9 not many guns have used the P38 locking system (I think one other too)

    We're just unique snowflakes with our odd weapons
    Why would anyone fight in line to use it again when they are just adopting and copying the M4? I mean really, lots of new countries are adopting the M4 and alot are cloning it.

    As to your M9 comment the new Gen 3 locking blocks fixed every breakin issue in that area and keeping up on spring replacemen will keep the slide from cracking.

    I have yet to hear of a Gen 3 locking block failing.
    Last edited by sinlessorrow; 08-15-13 at 19:23.
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    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krull View Post
    I've heard that,anyway you look at it it's funny that the system is used on only one gun and nobody is fighting in a line to use it again...
    The AR is a piston driven system. Piston system have been used before and since. The difference is that no one else has used this variation that I know of. Why? Because a new design using all of the advantages of the AR wouldn't be much different from what the AR is now
    INSIDE PLAN OF BOX
    1. ROAD-RUNNER LIFTS GLASS OF WATER- PULLING UP MATCH
    2. MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
    3. MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
    4. BOOM!
    5. HA-HA!!

    -WILE E. COYOTE, AUTHOR OF "EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE, I LEARNED FROM GOLDBERG & MURPHY"

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    Just a bit of info on shorties, I had a buddy who was an avid Arfcommer....I know I tried but he was blinded by their shiny pic threads.

    Either way he was issued a 7.5" suppressed shorty and never once had issues with it even on auto. He did mention having to replace the bolt and barrel at the 5,000 round mark but other than that he said it ran great.

    It was the standard Stoner system as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    The AR is a piston driven system. Piston system have been used before and since. The difference is that no one else has used this variation that I know of. Why? Because a new design using all of the advantages of the AR wouldn't be much different from what the AR is now
    Hrm true enough,I'd like to see a bullpup with the Armalite gas system that would be interesting.

    Anyway,I'm not into piston AR's but if Colt does it it should be good...if they sell just the upper half and the cost isn't ridiculous then I may try one down the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krull View Post
    Hrm true enough,I'd like to see a bullpup with the Armalite gas system that would be interesting.

    Anyway,I'm not into piston AR's but if Colt does it it should be good...if they sell just the upper half and the cost isn't ridiculous then I may try one down the line.
    Its calle khaybar 2002. Iran said that they appreciated the great reliability of the AR-15(or whatever their chinese copy is called) but a bullpup is better. Thus the Stoner operated bullpup.

    Honestly I would not think about the 6940P. Its a good rifle no doubt, but its not leaps and bounds better than the Stoner system. Actually if it is any improvement it will be minute....like in the >5% category.
    Last edited by sinlessorrow; 08-16-13 at 13:25.
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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