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    Piston guns

    For those who dismiss the piston gun, I heard a very respected trainer who posts hear frequently. That stated that a piston system is definatly a plus on a hard use gun. This is not a exact quote but it is the sum and substance of his statement. The statement was from his mouth to my ears directly.

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    Ha ha. You guys kill me. We would still be riding brontosauruses for transportation and talking through cans and strings if you were in charge of R and D. LOL. The funny thing is that if someone produced a piston AR that was reasonably priced, cleaner running, just as accurate, more reliable, priced competitively, etc. you would probably still hate it! Most people would consider that unreasonable.

    The funny thing is that regardless of internet blather, the horse is out of the barn and whether we think it is worthwhile or not, they are being built and improved upon as we speak. Someday we may be talking about the replacement of the piston guns. Technology has a way of overcoming resistance if it has merit. Given some time, the merits may become obvious. Or pistons will fall flat on their faces. Engineering wise, there is ZERO reason why an AR like upper couldn't use a piston operating system and be fantastic.


    Maybe be should just stop calling a piston ar an ar15. Maybe if we called it something else everyone would relax a little bit and actually judge it on it's individual merits. Probably won't happen though, people (myself included) just can't resist a good argument. The name calling though is childish and doesn't advance your point in any way, you retard (see what I mean?).

    For the sarcastic impaired that was a joke.

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    I hear mixed messages; either Colt doesn't care or is behind in the civilian market, or you hear a "what have they become" sort of attitude when they come furnished by Magpul. I understand being a purist, I have my own expectations and standards when it comes to certain things, but I think if more AR15 "idiots" but Colt because of a MOE stock... well, they just got fooled into buying a better rifle and I think it's good for the community as a whole.

    Assuming the standard is upheld, Colt won't hurt anyone by offering a piston gun and furniture choices. Piston guns don't get my pants tight, but who cares what I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    When you build a piston gun, you are FLAT OUT chasing the Retard market.
    I don't disagree with this as it applies to about 98% of piston AR's out there...they all reek of hobby weekend guns to me, but...

    Do you also apply this line of thinking towards Hk for building the 416?

    Like Hk, Colt knows their shit...so maybe like Hk, they can put out a piston AR that actually is worth a look, and worth it's weight in nasty places for those that need one extra drop of performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedropcola View Post
    Engineering wise, there is ZERO reason why an AR like upper couldn't use a piston operating system and be fantastic.
    Your right... It's called a SIG 550/551/552.

    Quote Originally Posted by sjc3081 View Post
    For those who dismiss the piston gun, I heard a very respected trainer who posts hear frequently. That stated that a piston system is definatly a plus on a hard use gun. This is not a exact quote but it is the sum and substance of his statement. The statement was from his mouth to my ears directly.
    The problem with "well repsected" trainers is that they have an ECONOMIC incentive to like a certain weapon. It has to be the case when you get all of your gear for free.
    Last edited by MarkG; 10-27-11 at 18:55.

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    I had a chance to handle an older SCW at a conference two years ago. It didn't leave a strong impression - I thought it was a neat concept but didn't see a tremendous gain in compactness over a standard 10.5" AR. The stock wasn't particularly intuitive to deploy.

    Still, it appears that there is some interest in these even more compact AR rifles, considering HK also introduced the 416C which is aimed at a similar niche.

    As far as Colt piston gun goes, Colt wants to sell rifles and not lose market share to competitors. A few years ago the HK416 was all the rage and it was fashionable to denigrate the M4 and direct impingement systems. Of course, Colt was producing the rifle the Army asked for, but understandably they introduced the M5 and 6940 to demonstrate that they can build a quality piston rifle too, if that is what you really want.
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    Just looking at a few pictures of it I'd say the SCW looks pretty cool, especially from an engineering stand point. It also looks a little bit like the HK 416 sub-carbine. The only thing I'd change is the monolithic upper to a standard A3 so I could add the handguard I wanted. I also don't really care for the one piece gas block/flip sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK18Pilot View Post
    The SCW is a prop gun, and if Colt is smart, it will NEVER be released.



    He may not be saying it but I will:

    ALL of the retrofit piston guns are for the FULL retard market...
    MK18, I understand where you are coming from. However, piston guns are designed for a niche market much like the HK416C and SCW. Piston guns do have advantages in weapons that have super short barrel lengths or when a suppressor is involved. They do have a tendency to have a fairly different recoil impulse (varying on design) and can be much heavier than your standard direct impingement design. The fact is however, that just because they do not fit your needs, does not mean they are for the retard market. I don't see either of us driving around town in a passenger bus, but they serve an undeniable purpose (The transit of large numbers of people). Piston guns and PDWs aren't much different.
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    The AR already has a piston

    What it lacks is a piston rod/op rod

    Converting an AR to take an op rod makes as much sense as converting a bicycle to take ski poles
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    You guys are ridiculous. Colt going after the "retard market"? If by retard market you mean military contracts then sure. Their piston gun and the SCW wasn't developed for the commercial market. Did you guys miss the little bit about a trials for a new carbine or the M4 PIP where a piston upper was being heavily considered, or the Army's program for a subcompact carbine? If the military programs don't pan out the commercial market is the only way they're getting development costs back so why not? As far as the Magpul gun? What the ****? 6920 = good. 6920 + the most popular quality aftermarket furniture = bad? GTFO, if you guys ran Colt, they'd be out of business looooong ago.

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