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Thread: Nickel Boron Bolt Carrier Battle: R Guns vs. Spike's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave L. View Post
    This may not be the right place for you then. Some of the elitists here shoot thousands of rounds a month with their silly "battle proven" parts... some of which are backed by 40 years of R&D.

    Also, when you state things like "my buddy swears by his", who is he? What makes your buddy a subject matter expert on bolt carrier groups? We deal in facts here as opposed to "Jim-bob at the range likes his XYZ".
    My "Jim-bob at the range" friend is no worse than listening to forum rhetoric... considering all I said was a friend likes his NiB BCG, its irrelevant.

    Some of us DON'T shoot "thousand of rounds a month", and don't need the most expensive gear for plinking at the range, taking an occasional carbine class, or home defense. Considering that 95% of AR shooters will never stuff them with dirt before flanking the Taliban, is it worth the extra money for a colt? Few can truly justify that, and if they can, by all means more power to them.

    Some of us aren't pushing our gear to the limits, and the OP never claimed he was. He was reviewing what he believes is a good product for the price he paid, not claiming that it will decimate the competition (including your beloved Colt).

    For what I/the OP do, Spikes is great; for what you do, Colt/LMT is great... I'll leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxshep View Post
    My "Jim-bob at the range" friend is no worse than listening to forum rhetoric... considering all I said was a friend likes his NiB BCG, its irrelevant.

    Some of us DON'T shoot "thousand of rounds a month", and don't need the most expensive gear for plinking at the range, taking an occasional carbine class, or home defense. Considering that 95% of AR shooters will never stuff them with dirt before flanking the Taliban, is it worth the extra money for a colt? Few can truly justify that, and if they can, by all means more power to them.

    Some of us aren't pushing our gear to the limits, and the OP never claimed he was. He was reviewing what he believes is a good product for the price he paid, not claiming that it will decimate the competition (including your beloved Colt).

    For what I/the OP do, Spikes is great; for what you do, Colt/LMT is great... I'll leave it at that.

    Then you need to leave this forum and go to arfcom.
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    It is unlikely you will get approval for a sub-par part here. If it works for you great!

    I have seen the lesser bolts break under low usage. The bolt/bolt carrier is on the top of my list to not cheap out on. But I guess I'm just an elitist who likes everything to work when I use it

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    I don't think the OP is seeking any Colt fans approval, nor am I... but for 95% of users, myself included, Spikes has exceeded my expectations for how "cheap" people think they are. Everyone has different needs, and at the price point you can't beat Spikes IMO. I'm not running them to failure, and I don't plan to. That's my whole point, so for people to say "just buy a colt", I think its overboard for what most people will be doing with their rifles.

    Unless you are looking for the approval of forum users, that is hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxshep View Post
    I don't think the OP is seeking any Colt fans approval, nor am I... but for 95% of users, myself included, Spikes has exceeded my expectations for how "cheap" people think they are. Everyone has different needs, and at the price point you can't beat Spikes IMO. I'm not running them to failure, and I don't plan to. That's my whole point, so for people to say "just buy a colt", I think its overboard for what most people will be doing with their rifles.

    Unless you are looking for the approval of forum users, that is hahaha



    When you signed up did you read the mission statement for this site?


    M4C is not for dirt clod shooters, plinkers, and people who want to justify buying shitty equipment. We're here to discuss quality equipment not what plinkers think is acceptable to them.

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    Some serious Colt leg humping.....

    I do have to say that the chromed BCG I have in one of my rifles is much easier to clean than the DD parkerized BCGs in the rest of my rifles.

    Is the hate for the manufacturer or the coating? Like, what if BCM or Colt introduced a special coating, would it still suck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    When you signed up did you read the mission statement for this site?


    M4C is not for dirt clod shooters, plinkers, and people who want to justify buying shitty equipment. We're here to discuss quality equipment not what plinkers think is acceptable to them.
    Like Coltfan#1 said earlier... where are the facts? What puts Spikes in a substandard or "shitty equipment" class? And what's wrong with plinkers and your average weekend shooter?

    I was kidding at first when I mentioned "forum elitists" but now I'm starting to revert to my original claim hahaha... dear lord, I guess if you don't have a colt or LMT I guess you should just off yourself for the good of mankind

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    Which beloved Colt part should one get? I have pony BCG's in chrome, nickel boron, and some other coating or alloy. These coatings allow a rapid clean with a rag and less coking builds up, esp suppressed.

    old news

    6/10/2005
    COLT DEFENSE LLC PRESS RELEASE

    COLT GUNS TO USE GREASELESS TECHNOLOGY

    April 11, 2005, West Hartford, CT. Colt Defense, LLC, of West Hartford, Connecticut, announced today that it has formed a strategic alliance with UCT Coatings, Inc., of Stuart, Florida. This agreement combines the worldwide leader in small arms with a company whose revolutionary coating allows small arms to operate lubrication-free.

    UCT’s patented nickel boron coatings have the potential to change the way military, law enforcement and commercial weapons are built and maintained throughout the world. As a part of this alliance, UCT has granted Colt a long-term exclusive license to use this technology for the development, manufacturing and refurbishment of its globally renowned weapons systems.

    Testing has shown that UCT’s technology provides parts life extension, lubrication-free operation and corrosion protection to pistols, semi-automatic rifles and machine guns.

    LtGen Wm. M. Keys, President and CEO of Colt, said, “UCT’s innovative thinking and applied technology will allow us to introduce a new generation of easily maintained weapons for all elements of the small arms market, while reducing the maintenance required on existing weapons as they are upgraded during refurbishment.”

    “We are excited about our new relationship with Colt, whose long history of US small arms manufacturing and reputation for quality and reliability make a perfect match with our new coating process,” said Tom Dyer, President and COO of UCT Coatings, Inc.

    Colt Defense LLC, headquartered in West Hartford, CT, is the sole source supplier of M4® carbines to the US Government. Its rifles, carbines and grenade launchers command a global presence as the weapons of choice for military and law enforcement use in over 50 countries. The owner of the technical data packages for the M16™ and M4 families of weapons, Colt traces its origins back to the company founded by Samuel Colt in 1836. Over 7 million authentic M16 rifles and M4 carbines have been installed for military and law enforcement use around the world.

    UCT Coatings, Inc., headquartered in Stuart, FL has developed and patented a family of performance coatings under the trade name of UltraCem® that can be applied to most metal surfaces including lighter weight metals like aluminum and titanium. This technology is applicable in Defense and Aerospace as well as Automotive, Oil & Gas and other Industrial markets. In September, 2004 UCT received a patent for the use of nodular Nickel Boron coatings as a permanent lubricant on firearms. They have trademarked the term “Greaseless Gun”.

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    I encourage some of you to re-read M4C's mission statement. M4C is geared more towards those who actually shoot their weapons and don't care about things that are irrelevant.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sxshep View Post
    Like Coltfan#1 said earlier... where are the facts? What puts Spikes in a substandard or "shitty equipment" class? And what's wrong with plinkers and your average weekend shooter?

    I was kidding at first when I mentioned "forum elitists" but now I'm starting to revert to my original claim hahaha... dear lord, I guess if you don't have a colt or LMT I guess you should just off yourself for the good of mankind



    I never said Spikes was shitty.


    The facts are here on the site which you would know if you did more reading and less posting.


    Its not elitism. I don't really care what plinkers use. Most of us are here to discuss what works and what are known good to go types of equipment. I don't go to other sites and bad mouth their gear and we don't want people here who are trying to justify their lower quality purchase. This isn't the site for that.


    This forum is geared to military, LEO's, and citizen shooters who take their equipment selection a bit more seriously than the average shooter. Even those of us who are not relying on guns for duty use tend to shoot more than the average person, and equipment selection becomes more critical than what looks cool at Cabelas or whats cheapest.


    If you want to talk about plinking guns or with the guys who shoot a box of ammo a year, and how great your gun is, Id suggest you find a site suitable for that. Doesn't mean you can't post here or cannot learn something just that the membership in general is not interested in that aspect of AR shooting. This site has a much higher ratio of active duty, vets, LEO's, and citizens who put a lot of rounds through guns than just about any other. We have an excellent group of SME's which take the time to share their knowledge and set the record straight on different equipment. So we'd rather have them posting than someone like you who is a plinker trying to justify their purchase and posts 2nd hand info from their Jim Bob friend who is likely also a plinker and doesn't know the difference been the specifics of each brand. Many times on other sites people recommend things they have little experience with or guns they have ~500rds through or equipment based on fanboi like followings.... Not because the equipment is actually made to a standardized specification. If BCM or Colt started selling guns made below the known specifications of what works they would stop getting recommended here and someone else would fill their shoes of "who to buy from".

    If you like Spikes or whoever else, and they fit the bill of what you need out of a gun then good for you. Plinking is not in the realm of why people come here for advice or why certain brands get recommended.

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