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Thread: Nickel Boron Bolt Carrier Battle: R Guns vs. Spike's

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet80tv View Post
    What your asking is just what he's asking. Haven't seen a new spikes in a while have you ? Spikes doesn't get that pass though, I guess due to lack of longevity?
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    do you think Spike's has the same depth of knowledge about the AR15 system that Colt does?

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    <taptap> is this thing on?


    Are you going to answer the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave L. View Post
    Hmmm, I'm willing to bed Spikes doesn't have their BCG's made to accommodate the thickness of the coating.
    Of course not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietShootr View Post
    Question:

    do you think Spike's has the same depth of knowledge about the AR15 system that Colt does?
    Well, no. That is why I said lack of longevity. I have nothing against Colt, obviously they set the standard that all others are measured against. I don't even want to argue the points anymore, I have items from various manufactures that I utilize and for the most part I am happy with all of them equally, including ST, maybe some are not worthy of the same respect as others....I can live with that...I'm not Dick Marcinko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet80tv View Post
    Well, no. That is why I said lack of longevity. I have nothing against Colt, obviously that set the standard that all others are measured against. I don't even want to argue the points anymore, I have items from various manufactures that I utilize and for the most part I am happy with all of them equally, including ST, maybe some are not worthy of the same respect as others....I can live with that...I'm not Dick Marcinko.
    Well what the **** were you arguing about then? If you know Spike's≠Colt, why did you even bring it up? So you're happy with your Spike's, good for you. We don't do "As Good As" or "Good Enough" here. That's what barfcom is for.

    Jesus...****ing newbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant
    I no longer discuss what any particular company does or does not do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave L. View Post
    Hmmm, I'm willing to bed Spikes doesn't have their BCG's made to accommodate the thickness of the coating.
    Of course not.
    This is very good to know.
    While we're at it, does anyone know where I might locate one of the UCT coated Colt BCGs mentioned earlier?

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    I'd rather have Grant weigh in than stay out of the conversation.

    Also, this thread is once again back to Horse vs Spider.

    Let's get it back on topic:

    A bolt should be x dimensions, if you add a coating you have x + y, and then it's out of spec. By how much, and how much does the y matter? Will it even affect function?

    Let's say that the NiB is done right and the bolt is dimensionally correct after the coating... great. Now does any of the mentioned companies do that?

    I would venture to say that Colt is probably leading the way on it BUT, since it's not part of the TDP to have that kind of bolt, there is no reason to assume they are holding themselves to that standard since it's a non-standard part for them. So, FailZero maybe? But are FailZero's bolts up to the metallurgic quality of a Colt bolt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moltke View Post
    I'd rather have Grant weigh in than stay out of the conversation.

    Also, this thread is once again back to Horse vs Spider.

    Let's get it back on topic:

    A bolt should be x dimensions, if you add a coating you have x + y, and then it's out of spec. By how much, and how much does the y matter? Will it even affect function?

    Let's say that the NiB is done right and the bolt is dimensionally correct after the coating... great. Now does any of the mentioned companies do that?

    I would venture to say that Colt is probably leading the way on it BUT, since it's not part of the TDP to have that kind of bolt, there is no reason to assume they are holding themselves to that standard since it's a non-standard part for them. So, FailZero maybe? But are FailZero's bolts up to the metallurgic quality of a Colt bolt?
    Typically, companies are going to buy BCG's in the white and then have them done. Others are going to have the phosphate finish removed and the new coating applied.

    There are dimensional tolerances built into a BCG. So they can vary slightly. This is my guess as to why we don't see more problem threads reported on this stuff OR the BCG is just rubbing the barrel extension and upper receiver until it conforms to the spec.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    Yep, that and certain folks are Colt dealers so opinions expressed here are based in part on increasing their own sales volume.
    Don't mistake CHOOSING to not selling a product for NOT being able to. I could have a store full of any companies AR's I wanted to, but I choose only the best. Which is why there are no RRA/BM/Oly/DPMS/Etc allowed in my shop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sr71plane View Post
    but then Colt gets a pass for all the political correct changes that they have done to their rifles in past...
    Obviously, you weren't there when Colt made the changes to bring us the "post-pre ban" rifles. Colt suffered accusations of being sell-outs same as Ruger has suffered for suggesting a 10 round limit on magazines. Colt also suffered severe criticism when they were owned by the "carburetor people" who were supposed to be very anti-gun. Before that, Colt had to weather the storm of criticism for the original M16, one so powerful, so vitriolic that it still taints the reputation of Colt and the AR family of rifles.

    The criticism leveled at Spikes isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to what Colt has been put through
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