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    Cop shoots himself at training

    just got this. What's with LEO's and accidents?

    http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2...rs-ar-1451258/

    County officer shoots self at firearms training course
    By: Daily Progress Staff Reports
    Published: November 10, 2011

    An Albemarle County police officer was transported to the University of Virginia Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries after accidentally shooting himself in the hand at an annual firearms training course Thursday afternoon at the Rivanna Rifle and Pistol Club.

    The officer was preparing to clean his handgun when he unintentionally fired a bullet into his left hand around 4 p.m.

    “The important message for everyone is that firearms should be handled with extreme care all the time,” Sgt. Darrell Byers said.
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    This happened at the club I was just elected into the Board of Directors into and we just received the first report from the Police Department about it. Here are the facts as they were presented:

    - The Officer pulled the trigger in preparation to field stripping his issued handgun (Glock 22).
    - The round entered his left hand through the fleshy part of his thumb joint (basically the palm) and traversed semi-diagonally and exited out the side of his palm below the small pinky. No bone was hit and he is back on light duty and may be back on street patrol in a week or two.
    - After exiting the officer's hand, the bullet traversed through a closet and exited an interior wall putting a dent in a steel cabinet that sat on an adjacent room. Noboyd else was injured in the incident.
    - The department had just transitioned to Glock 22s from HK USPs which they carried for about 11-years.
    - The ammunition was .40 S&W FMJ (training and practice ammo - not sure what make but I believe they are using Federal HRT for duty).
    - The Officers had just conducted training at an outdoor range that is on another part of club property. The Officers had to get into their vehicles to drive to the clubhouse where they normally clean their weapons.
    - The handgun was supposed to have been cleared prior to leaving the shooting line at the outdoor range. The ongoing investigation should determine if this was accomplished or not.
    - Their training is taken directly from the Glock Training.
    - The clearing process they were trained in were as follows (while adhering to the rules of gun safety):
    1) Remove magazine from the weapon.
    2) Rack the slide at least three times - counting each rack loudly.
    3) Lock the slide open.
    4) Visually and digitally clear the chamber.
    5) Release the slide.
    6) (While pointing in a safe direction) pull the trigger.
    - The Officers were also trained to follow the facility policy which specifically disallows the handling of a loaded firearm where the ND occurred. NOTE: It is still unknown at which point the round ended up in the chamber of the pistol and why. This should be determined by the ongoing investigation.
    - The department already adheres tot he strict process of unloading their weapons at an Indoor Range (attached to the clubhouse) under the observation of an FI prior to starting training. They also load in the same range prior to leaving for the club.

    What may have happened:
    - The FIs failed to properly clear the weapon involved off the line OR the Officer loaded his handgun when he entered his cruiser out of habit and forgot that he did so. No other viable scenarios are available.
    - The Officer was probably distracted while he was field stripping his weapon for cleaning and he forgot to take the proper steps to clear it.

    What the Department is implementing or is considering the follow to prevent future occurrence.
    - They are implementing the use of a barrel flag while at the range.
    - They are looking at changing their weapons clearing procedure to include a second FI off the firing line (as conducted in most military ranges).

    I'm glad the Officer is fine and nobody got hurt. But this is one case where stupid does hurt. To the credit of the department, they have been very proactive in addressing the issue from the get go.



    In the "What may have happened:" they should add, "The officer did not clear his weapon"

    Instead of racking it 3 times they should rack it once and look, what are the other 2 times supposed to do??

    All kidding aside, I would think this was a complacency or distraction/tired issue. At the end of the day some people can be exhausted, and that's when things go bad.

    I had a woman student once. She had been clearing her pistol all day long when I told her "unload and show clear". Late afternoon I gave the same command, what did she do? yank on the trigger!! Freak me out to say the least. I was pissed. She took a break after that. It's really inclredible how quickly things can happen.

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    Last edited by rickp; 11-18-11 at 15:22.
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    Like I was Taught in the Military and even before then .I ALWAYS visibly look into the chamber to make sure it is unloaded , as this report Proves it only takes a second of stupid to mess your day up


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    Quote Originally Posted by rickp View Post
    - The Officer pulled the trigger in preparation to field stripping his issued handgun (Glock 22).
    Ah, Glock induced hole-in-hand-syndrome.

    Kidding aside, putting your hand over the muzzle of a gun and pulling the trigger to slide the barrel forward - REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY TIMES I DID MY SAFETY ROUTINE - does not compute for me.

    It's just a really bad habit, which on the rare case one does not go through the full process, ends as above.

    Full safety check, put hand on top of slide, pull trigger (if gun requires it to remove slide) while pointing gun in safe direction, is the only way I ever do it or did it, and that does not change with gun.

    I have seen many put their palm of hand over muzzle and pull trigger to remove Glock slide. It's not an uncommon habit

    Even saw someone do a press check that way!!!!!

    I know I'm preaching to the converted and all, but just wanted to get it out.
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    "after accidentally shooting himself in the hand at an annual firearms training course"

    Pretty much sums up the common issue with most LE departments.

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    Regardless of whether or not it was annual training common sense tells you to ENSURE that the weapon is unloaded before hand.

    This is especially important with Glock pistols that require pulling the trigger first.

    Here's what I would do.

    1. After a shooting evolution while everyone is on the range I would have all shooters line up, unload and clear.

    2. A buddy check would be performed and then with the weapon pointed down range have them pull the trigger and holster.

    3. Then to be extra sure there would be a clearing barrel at the exit of the range or near the cleaning area. All personnel would be required to clear their weapons again with a Safety Officer or RSO verifying that they are safe and clear.



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    What I found interesting is that they think that just by running the slide a number of times that will clear the pistol. IMO it shows a lack of proper training, if the extractor is not working you can run the slide till you’re blue in the face, it just won’t clear the pistol. All one has to do is visually inspect the chamber once and you’re done.

    It’s like the people that sit there and run the slide 10 times really fast because it sounds cool, it’s doing nothing to clear that pistol and put it in a safe condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    "after accidentally shooting himself in the hand at an annual firearms training course"

    Pretty much sums up the common issue with most LE departments.
    Why? Are you suggesting this is the only time throughout the year they clear or load their weapons?

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    If they do like we do then all of the officers leave the line loaded and prepped for duty carry.

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    Annual training=the only time he goes to the range.

    What is the typical punishment for this with cop shops?

    A lot of units here,a ND in training is a automatic NJP.

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    "We" load and clear only at clearing barrels with a supervisor but I have no idea about civilian cops.
    Last edited by Redhat; 11-18-11 at 18:30.

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