Need a shotgun

**Dport** · 12-02-07, 10:35

Originally Posted by rob_s

We're agreeing more than you think, and this discussion had limited interest for me to begin with as frankly I see no defensive purpose for a shotgun at all.

Aw come one, you're not going to advocate bird shot?

I think the shotgun is still a viable tool. Is it the best tool? Probably not. I've always seen it as a specialized tool that requires a high degree of training to use efficiently and effectively.

**Voodoochild** · 12-02-07, 11:15

Grant have you looked in to a saiga? Looks pretty nice..

**C4IGrant** · 12-02-07, 11:47

Originally Posted by Dport

Aw come one, you're not going to advocate bird shot?

I think the shotgun is still a viable tool. Is it the best tool? Probably not. I've always seen it as a specialized tool that requires a high degree of training to use efficiently and effectively.

Shotguns do have their place. Just like the AK does. While neither are my first choice as a defensive tool, you just never know what you will have around when bad things happen.

This is why I took an AK class and will take a shotgun class. Being well rounded is a good thing.

C4

**C4IGrant** · 12-02-07, 11:48

Originally Posted by Voodoochild

Grant have you looked in to a saiga? Looks pretty nice..

I have not looked at them.

I ordered a Remy 870P Max and might send it off to Vang for some work (we shall see).

C4

**Dport** · 12-02-07, 12:20

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

Being well rounded is a good thing.

C4

Indeed it is.

A Vang Comp'ed 870 would be a great gun to have.

I had a Scattergun Tech 1100. I sent it to TN and got it back from AR. Just my timing, I sent it at the same time ST was bought by Wilson Combat.

It was nice, but I regretted not sending it to Vang.

**Buck** · 12-02-07, 13:38

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

I have not looked at them.
I ordered a Remy 870P Max and might send it off to Vang for some work (we shall see).
C4

Vang can do some very nice work to the interior of the barrel, but I would advise against having it ported... The amount of flash that comes out of the ports at night is truly blinding...

**toddackerman** · 12-06-07, 10:11

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

I have not looked at them.

I ordered a Remy 870P Max and might send it off to Vang for some work (we shall see).

C4

Grant,

I think you made the right choice for the platform.

Here's a little advice that might save you $300 (Vang Comp) to $600 (Vang Comp w/ Ghost Rings)...

I've had Hans' work done on one of my 870's, but suggest you take it out first and try some of the new Federal Flite Control Wad 00 Buck loads. Patterns as tight out of a 18" IC barrel as the Federal Tactical 00 Loads did from a Vang Comp'd barrel. About 3-4" at 15yds., and 8" at 25 yds. At 21 feet, everything including the Wad goes through one hole.

IF the 870 Police has the new "Limb Saver" recoil pad, you may not think you need the "Port Job" portion of the Vang setup as well. I didn't, but I'm 6'0 and 235 lbs. Recoil and follow up shots have never been an issue with me. Others may disagree based on their frame size and strength.

As far as sights, I like Rifle Sights. They are "As Fast" for me an much more accurate. Easy to hit head shots with slugs at 25 yds....quickly! Head shots at 50 yds. are no problem either, but it takes maybe 1.5 - 2 seconds to do it. For me, Ghost Rings on a precision shot (4" circle) at 50 yds. was pretty much un-doable without going to prone, or some other supported position. There are differing views on this from the "Experts", so if you can..."try before you buy".

If you want to try an 18" IC with Rifle Sights, and can't get one close by, email me, and we'll get you "hooked" up for a trial run. I'd make the same offer on a Ghost Ring setup, but I no longer own one.

I don't mean to bash Hans Vang because he is a true gentleman and artisan in the industry. I just think that as with most things, technology catches up, and needs change.