Ident SBR engraving (pics)

[Scoby]

If it is a stripped receiver, rifle or shotgun, by the letter of the law it is supposed to be considered a handgun because it is capable of having a pistol grip installed.

These "tactical" shotguns that you see, with only a pistol grip and no stock, can only be sold as handguns.

[CarlosDJackal]

You can ship a non pistol USPS without going through an FFL. Pistols require a FFL to ship.

Depends on your state and to whom it is getting shipped to. I have shipped pistols back to the manufacturer for repairs without issues. They just had to be sent overnight.

Rifles do not have to be shipped overnight.

[CarlosDJackal]

If it is a stripped receiver, rifle or shotgun, by the letter of the law it is supposed to be considered a handgun because it is capable of having a pistol grip installed.

These "tactical" shotguns that you see, with only a pistol grip and no stock, can only be sold as handguns.

This doesn't sound right.

Stripped receivers are identified as pistols in the 4473 and any applicable State form when you first purchase them from a dealer. Pistol grip shotguns are identified as long guns (bbls 18" or longer) as long as they meet or exceed the minimum OAL of 26".

Once a receiver is built into a rifle, it is supposed to be treated as such. Which means an AR-15 receiver that was originally purchased as a pistol but built into a rifle is now legally a rifle and cannot be treated as or converted into a pistol.

In other words, you cannot take that receiver and remove its stock and marry it up with an upper that has a barrel that is less than 16" unless it is registered as an SBR.

Of course, I haven't fully recovered from my Annual Training experience so I may very well be mistaken about this whole thing. Can anyone verify that I do not have my facts backwards?

[Scoby]

This doesn't sound right.

Stripped receivers are identified as pistols in the 4473 and any applicable State form when you first purchase them from a dealer. Pistol grip shotguns are identified as long guns (bbls 18" or longer) as long as they meet or exceed the minimum OAL of 26".

According to the ATF Compliance Officer that conducted my FFL interview a couple of weeks ago, shotguns with a pistol grip only, not shotguns with a normal long stock and a pistol grip, are to be treated as handguns. No matter the barrel length. When you start talking barrel length and overall length you are now in the realm of the NFA.

He asked this as a trick question during the interview.

[CCK]

According to the ATF Compliance Officer that conducted my FFL interview a couple of weeks ago, shotguns with a pistol grip only, not shotguns with a normal long stock and a pistol grip, are to be treated as handguns. No matter the barrel length. When you start talking barrel length and overall length you are now in the realm of the NFA.

He asked this as a trick question during the interview.

These guys have a differing opinion.

http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88

[doddste4]

Slightly off topic, but is there any refinishing necessary after engraving the lower?

[Hmac]

Slightly off topic, but is there any refinishing necessary after engraving the lower?

Ident and Orion both blacken the engraved lettering. I haven't seen Orion's work, but on everything Ident has engraved for me, it comes back perfect just as in the photos above.

[doddste4]

Thanks for the answer.

[Scoby]

These guys have a differing opinion.

http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88

That does make sense. You can do the same with a short barrel AR with a pistol receiver extension.

Still has to be sold as a handgun.