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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    Easy fix


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    , maybe a coupler is lighter than the redimag
    The problem with the mag coupler is you having to dump both mags to clear some malfunctions. That leaves you with having to recover the mag etc.


    IG, I understand what your saying about the SureFire. I have one, I use it. It works as expected. My issue being, from a LEO viewpoint, is all of your eggs are in one basket. If the mag takes a dump and your not carrying a spare somewhere, your screwed. My guys are required to have a mag on their person if they don't have a Redi-mag. I don't care if its in a pocket, or on their belt. Shit happens and Murphy is always present.

    I like having my officers coming out of their cars with 56 rounds on them, ready to rock. No grabbing a bail out bag, bandoleer or anything else.

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    Some very good points, but if your in a fight and have a malfunction your not clearing the weapon its a transition to sidearm and fix rifle when there is time and cover.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shane1 View Post
    The problem with the mag coupler is you having to dump both mags to clear some malfunctions. That leaves you with having to recover the mag etc.


    IG, I understand what your saying about the SureFire. I have one, I use it. It works as expected. My issue being, from a LEO viewpoint, is all of your eggs are in one basket. If the mag takes a dump and your not carrying a spare somewhere, your screwed. My guys are required to have a mag on their person if they don't have a Redi-mag. I don't care if its in a pocket, or on their belt. Shit happens and Murphy is always present.

    I like having my officers coming out of their cars with 56 rounds on them, ready to rock. No grabbing a bail out bag, bandoleer or anything else.
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    True but if you have moved to cover to fix your weapon and your only spare mag is laying where you accidentally dumped them because they were coupled together. Big oops. yes, we can train around that but under stress, Murphy happens. Also, transition is going to depend on distance your at. I understand what your saying but again, I don't like all of my eggs in one basket..or magazine I should say.

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    I hear ya Shane but keeping with the stress and Murphy them having a mag with you is the important thing. I have always been a smaller guy. No room for a back up mag on belt. In a stress situation I might forget to put a back up mag in a pocket. And what if I had to get the mag out of the pocket under stress, much worse IMHO than a mag already in your hand. I have to train not to just drop that mag but grab the back up mag on the clinch and tuck it or hold while I clear.

    This is all a training thing and personal preference as well.

    Plus keeping the weight down. One mag just is not good enough in-case you need more rounds or have a faulty mag. Thats why I like the two 20 round mags in mag clinch. You have a reload but weight is cut down.

    Just want to get all the options out there. I know its not a perfect world we just have to do our best.
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    There's always the weight room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin64 View Post
    I would like to find a nylon covered 20 round mag pouch for the duty belt since I have space. I have been looking online and can only find exposed magazine cases which I am not interested in. I don't feel like losing mags on foot pursuits or advertising to the world that I'm carrying an AR magazine.
    Eagle FB. comes belt or molle



    or even the ITW Fastmag. a 20 rounder is NOT coming out unless you want it to...

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    Some good advice given on how to reduce the weight so I won't get into the "how" part. I will however say that the added weight in say a stock to "balance" the rifle, or that the Redi-Mag is center line of the rifle to maintain balance is very over rated IMO for the OP's uses. While I am not a competition shooter so to speak, I do a fair share of "running and gunning" for fun and when "running and gunning" balance plays a bigger role for pure speed and transitional times, however the time frame of being "on gun" is relatively short. Therefore a trade of adding weight in say the stock for "balance" may be acceptable.

    Having said that my primary use for a rifle is in a working environment where I am carrying the rifle for extended periods of time, often hours upon hours at a time. In a situation where you are lugging around the rifle for hours on end, any weight on the rifle becomes a burden over time as you are rarely "on gun" with muzzle up where you are not supported in some fashion. So in this type of working environment described by the OP where the rifle is just pure weight over extend periods of time, shaving any weight from any part of the rifle is the most important. I find that the "balance" thing is very much of lesser importance for these uses. When that time comes, the adrenaline will often make you ignore the weight balance in any shape or form and it will often be over quickly. For the most part however you are lugging around dead weight.

    Oh, and I am not really a small guy either.

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    Your limiting factor is the decision to carry two mags on the rifle. If you do, the convenience means the rifle will be heavy. There is no getting around that.

    My 10.5" LMT feels way too heavy with a Redi Mag and downloaded 2nd PMag. Your decision to lose the Redi Mag and carry an extra mag on the belt will resolve the majority of the problem.

    My rifle is set up for home defense and the weight is not an issue for carrying long periods because that does not happen. I do think the extra weight makes for sluggish handling though. My Redi Mag will be coming off soon.
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    Shift in balance isn't much, unless a bunch of stuff is hung off either end of the rifle.

    The difference in CG between the light CTR stock vs the heavy UBR is about 1.5 inches and still within the magwell


    When using the UBR, I notice the increase in weight more than the shift in CG

    While a fully loaded Redimag won't change the CG much if at all, it does reduce the polar axis of movement which makes the rifle easier to swing. As Surf points out, it's still an increase in weight
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