Massad Ayoob and the .357sig again....

[KhanRad]

Still touting the .357sig I see
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/...S1211/?page=26

[Fail-Safe]

I will be the first person to call all manner of bullshit on the snake story. Its laughable that he would print that and sign his name to it. I'm seriously sitting here laughing. My ass literally may fall off!

"When one of the other rounds barely missed the snakes head, the venomous serpents just wiggled away. Yet when a .357sig missed close to the moccasin's head in the water, the snake shuddered an died."

[Nephrology]

.357 SIG is one of those calibers that I wish would unexist. Not because of what it is but what it represents to so many. Not much better than 9mm but its proponents think it is .45 ACP and then some. You have no idea how many times i've heard people drool over 357 SIG and badmouth 9mm in the same breath.

[kmrtnsn]

I carried a DA/SA P229 .357 SIG for four years. Never have I been so underwhelmed by a handgun's performance.

[481]

"When one of the other rounds barely missed the snakes head, the venomous serpents just wiggled away. Yet when a .357sig missed close to the moccasin's head in the water, the snake shuddered an died."

Fail-Safe,

Sounds like Ayoob has been reading Courtney.

Perhaps they could collaborate on a paper dealing with distant BPW effects in serpents...call it "Snakes in a bucket: BPW in pit vipers."

[KhanRad]

Fail-Safe,

Sounds like Ayoob has been reading Courtney.

Perhaps they could collaborate on a paper dealing with distant BPW effects in serpents...call it "Snakes in a bucket: BPW in pit vipers."

Speaking of Courtney.....I haven't seen him around in a long time. I still laugh when I think about his story of stuffing a small deer in a water barrel and shooting into it to try and rendure the deer unconcious through his magical ballistic pressure wave.

[Eurodriver]

Anyone wanna post up some factual data regarding the .357 Sig's terminal performance compared to 9mm or .40 or even .45?

I've got no dog in this fight. I stick to 9mm and .45, but I have a friend with .357 Sig who thinks its a .44 mag and then some.

I'm seeing a 250 FPS increase over the standard 115gr round.

[481]

Speaking of Courtney.....I haven't seen him around in a long time. I still laugh when I think about his story of stuffing a small deer in a water barrel and shooting into it to try and rendure the deer unconcious through his magical ballistic pressure wave.

Yeah, his material is pretty comical as are his "followers". Can't help but think of him as probable reincarnation of one of the Three Stooges; my money is on Curley.

Haven't seen much of him either. Good times.

[WillBrink]

Anyone wanna post up some factual data regarding the .357 Sig's terminal performance compared to 9mm or .40 or even .45?

I've got no dog in this fight. I stick to 9mm and .45, but I have a friend with .357 Sig who thinks its a .44 mag and then some.

I'm seeing a 250 FPS increase over the standard 115gr round.

Well, there is this classic:



Not "data" per se, but telling. I recall the .357 has some improved performance with intermediate barriers (making it the choice for some PDs who are likely to shoot into cars, such as State Troopers) over the 9mm, but I don't recall how it does compared to other calibers on that score.

Never considered the .357 Sigs cons to outweigh its pros, and or, other calibers do it better for less $$$ on well vetted platforms. That's my understanding anyway.

Was never impressed with the .357 Sig chambered guns I fired and wanted one even less after firing, but that's me.

[WS6]

It's a helluva fun round to shoot on the range, and it penetrates hard barriers better, but to say it is head and shoulders above a good 9mm is ignorance. It's just another choice. One I think is a lot more fun than other choices for a range gun if you don't mind feeding it.