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    I saw one of these the other day at Cabelas. It looked pretty nice but I didn't get a chance to do more than handle it. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...egory_rn=33803

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    I mentioned the twist rate as well. It's amazing that they number of people who still believe that the 1n7 can't shoot the 55gr.

    If I don't see certain changes, I won't get one. I just wanted a whole S&W gun for a collector, nothing special, just because. The scope with logo would top it off nicely.

    You would think there would be a bit more research as to what people are using and basically, want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5pt56 View Post
    I mentioned the twist rate as well. It's amazing that they number of people who still believe that the 1n7 can't shoot the 55gr.
    I know.
    One of my co-workers has a 1x7 twist 20" chrome lined barrel that shoots 50gr hollow point American Eagle at .25MOA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    I know.
    One of my co-workers has a 1x7 twist 20" chrome lined barrel that shoots 50gr hollow point American Eagle at .25MOA.

    That's a good round for the price. Feeds well although it doesn't look like it would.
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    Looks like there has been a bit of a learning curve, which is understandable with a new product.

    It's telling that they are willing to listen. I wish they'd listen more (M4 feedramps/ 1:7 twist), but perhaps that will add to the cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dport View Post
    It's telling that they are willing to listen. I wish they'd listen more (M4 feedramps/ 1:7 twist), but perhaps that will add to the cost?
    From a marketing perspective, and after consulting The Chart, it occurs to me that S&W may have decided to stake its niche at the top of "tier two," rather than at the bottom of "tier one" -- sticking with 1:9, etc. Does that theory make sense to those of you who work directly with S&W?

    As to the price point, my wife and I stopped by the local Gander Mtn. last night while killing some time, and I checked out M&P 15 prices (as I often do, since I own one):

    • M&P 15 - $1,199
    • M&P 15A - $1,099
    • M&P 15T - $1,799


    That's daffy. Although the going rate around here is $200-$300 less, people are paying those prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KintlaLake View Post
    it occurs to me that S&W may have decided to stake its niche at the top of "tier two," rather than at the bottom of "tier one"
    I think you're right. Why try to compete with Colt? People are unlikely to abandon Colt. However, if they can offer a better product than Bushmaster, then they have a competitive advantage over a larger customer base, quite frankly.
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    Gander Mountain firearms prices are outlandish. The used stuff is more expensive then new stuff elsewhere. Many buyers there probably never set foot in a regular gun shop so they probably don't now any better. I used to shop at the original Galyan's store and their prices weren't the best. Once they stopped selling handguns I went to the gun shop less than a block away and found much better prices.

    But Cabelas is supposedly coming to town so maybe that will strike up some competition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Additionally I asked about the PMAG issue and he stated that all of their original testing was done with GI style aluminum magazines from Okay Industries and that they did not anticipate the use of the PMAG in their carbines. He added that all current production S&W’s will have a correctly beveled magazine well that will accept the PMAG…
    Quote Originally Posted by czydj View Post
    Did he mention what the owners of older production M&P15's should do about the mag wells that don't accept PMAG's?
    It seems whenever I ask this question, all I ever hear are crickets chiriping... How do I get rid of those pesky critters and how do I get an official position on this issue from our friends at S&W?

    IMHO, this is a pretty important issue. PMAGS are prevalent, no doubt about it. What happens if you get into a situation where your partner tosses you a magazine when you run out and it's a PMAG? Do you ask him for a dremel too, so you can file down the PMAG to get back in the game? Just a note, this isn't really even to address my M&P, I've taken care of it myself. What about the folks who don't know and won't find out until it's too late?

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