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Thread: FrogLube...behind the scenes, at a glance

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    There are things tested in a lab and there are things tested in the operational environment. Shooting people, aside from obvious logistics issues, does not provide repeatable and measurable results. Lab tests do.

    For lube, the end result is a working gun that is no more difficult to clean and no obvious damage. Lab results would be great but they don't tell the whole story here. If we wanted to run Frog Lube in an F1 car different story, test data is far more important there.
    I agree, and pictures of excessive wear have emerged when used in the dynamic environment you describe. Hence my desire to dig a little deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I agree, and pictures of excessive wear have emerged when used in the dynamic environment you describe. Hence my desire to dig a little deeper.
    Excessive wear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    Excessive wear?
    I suppose the term is VERY subjective.

    I will clarify. What I mean by excessive, is that weapons lubed with it have shown more wear than weapons lubed with other common firearm lubricants, and weapons lubed with it that had "worn-in" and stopped wearing visibly, have began to wear again once Froglube has been applied, and stopped this new wear as soon as the former lube was switched back to.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...ml#post2084893

    See also my link about the XD. Unfortunately, OP took down the pictures for some reason. However, the comments can still be read regarding other member's surprise at the wear.

    http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xd-guns...-froglube.html

    Now, since all we have to go on is "Well my gun..." these claims are just as valid as and just as meaningful as the "It works for me!" claims. That means that if we are to be non-biased, we need to treat them as fact, just like the other claims have been treated.

    Hence my desire for more than a story. This story has 2 versions.
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    It is appearance only, I suspect. Not sure how scientific it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    It is appearance only, I suspect. Not sure how scientific it is.
    Visible wear starting again on a piece of machinery that had previously stabalized regarding wear is significant. The XD? I'm not so concerned with. The 1911 is rather interesting to read about, as is the P220.

    Wear is indeed important regarding the AR-15 platform in some areas, namely the cam-pin area, which is placed under a lot of stress and is critical for operation of the platform.

    I am not sure how critical the insides of the upper are, regarding surfaces the BCG interacts with.

    Anyway, now we have two sides of the story, both of which have equal claim to being "facts".

    Without any other data, I'll stick with CLP. It is a known. Once Froglube is a known, I will happily switch over if it is good to go based on the data.

    I think people believe skeptics to be against something. No, not in this case. I really like the idea of froglube, and its physical properties. I just would like something more quantitative than qualitative before I switch over to it. It's sitting on my shelf and a few minutes will see it applied once I have something to compel me to do so.
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    People run guns bone dry for years, or relatively bone dry, without issue. Not sure how using Frog Lube causes issues here. I know, or know people who know, people who like Frog Lube. I do not know the guy you linked to, who removed his pics (strange?).

    I will get the stuff tested (if I can get it tested for free) and use it to establish my opinion (which will not matter to anyone).
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    Here ya go... call these guys. Let us know what they say the price will be.

    they need a 200ml sample.

    http://www.polarislabs.com/test-expl...-ball-wear.php

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    Wear testing should be near 100 per sample, per test.
    Corrosion testing will be much more expensive. several hundred per sample, per test. You'll also have to decide which corrosion tests are actually relevant.

    I have a few friends who work in areas where they might be able to slip this in, but I doubt it, and I'm tapped. To do a one on one product comparison properly I figure the cost would be well around 2 grand.

    For what it's worth, I don't understand the disdain for the smell of hydrocarbons. I was an industrial painter through high school and college, and whatever brain cells I have left resonate with nostalgia every time I clean a firearm.

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    This is just a wild ass guess but maybe FL is not releasing any test data because they are looking at getting a mil contract in the future. I know here at Sill the whole hazmat environmentally friendly stuff is taken very seriously. I would not be a bit surprised to find out that big army is looking for something that is safe for the environment for solders to clean their weapons with.

    If that’s the case, and I’m not saying it is, maybe FL is not in too big of a hurry to let potential competitors know the details of their test. I could be way off base but I think the days of CLP, LSA and other weapons cleaning and lubrication products now in use are short.
    Last edited by 5pins; 12-15-11 at 11:34.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    I would not be a bit surprised to find out that big army is looking for something that is safe for the environment for solders to clean their weapons with.
    No kidding.
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