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    Quote Originally Posted by bondmid003 View Post
    Lowers or Uppers? Last I checked lowers from Colt and a few others were on KA's AWB list. Hence the term OLL. If things have changed let me know. I purchased a S&W lower for this reason.
    New complete rifles based on SP6920s, they changed up the model names so they aren't the same ones on the ban list. Perfectly legal.

    Grant is selling them on his site, and I've heard reports of brick and mortar shops selling them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondmid003 View Post
    It's not the compliance that's the problem with colt, it's that a majority of their models are banned by name. Here is the list of rifles on KA' s awb list: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

    From the list colt 6920, And all match target and sporter models are banned. Now this only applies to the lower receiver, which is why a lot of folks like myself bought an oll or off list lower

    Now I'm also not saying that they didn't slip one past by changing the name a la Arsenal which had the slg model on the ban list while the newer sgl models are fine.

    The name 6920 is on the list. The names 6920CA and 6920MPCA are not on the list.

    Colt's legal Dept. has done a lot of research on this issue.

    Colt 6920CA lowers here: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...&key=6920CALWR


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I am pretty sure that those who are marketing the CA version know if it is legit or not. The new ones don't say 6920. They are marked Sporter M4 Carbine.
    Alot of folks are marketing CA compliant versions but the key here is the name change. The AWB list is permanently set and can not be added to after 2007.

    When people generally say CA compliant they mean it either has a bullet button/mag lock...or its featureless i.e. monster-man grip. To sell the 6920 in KA, Colt not only had to do those things but also change the name. A standard 6920 lower is still on the AWB list regardless of the whether you place a bullet button on it or not.

    The very fact that a company like Colt or Arsenal can simply rename a product without changing anything to make it legal proves that the KA AWB is a failed and asinine attempt to please the liberal masses. Trust me when I say I can't wait to move back to a free state.
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    The very fact that a company like Colt or Arsenal can simply rename a product without changing anything to make it legal proves that the KA AWB is a failed and asinine attempt to please the liberal masses. Trust me when I say I can't wait to move back to a free state.
    Amen brother.

    It doesn't do shit, and black rifles are now more popular than ever in CA!

    So much so that Calguns even has threads bagging on AR "snobs" and that "my Oly/DPMS/Bushy/Del-Ton is good 'nuff". But better these than threads where people are wishing they could get a black rifle.


    Oh, and Grant, you have some incredible patience. (Yeah, I'm talking about that recent Del-Ton thread).

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    I have somewhat of an idea since I am an escapee from Kalifornia. I also pointed out that they changed the name thereby making the point moot.

    I know all too well that the list is bullshit just like the other 98% of Kalifornias gun laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by bondmid003 View Post
    Alot of folks are marketing CA compliant versions but the key here is the name change. The AWB list is permanently set and can not be added to after 2007.

    When people generally say CA compliant they mean it either has a bullet button/mag lock...or its featureless i.e. monster-man grip. To sell the 6920 in KA, Colt not only had to do those things but also change the name. A standard 6920 lower is still on the AWB list regardless of the whether you place a bullet button on it or not.

    The very fact that a company like Colt or Arsenal can simply rename a product without changing anything to make it legal proves that the KA AWB is a failed and asinine attempt to please the liberal masses. Trust me when I say I can't wait to move back to a free state.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rojocorsa View Post
    Amen brother.

    It doesn't do shit, and black rifles are now more popular than ever in CA!

    So much so that Calguns even has threads bagging on AR "snobs" and that "my Oly/DPMS/Bushy/Del-Ton is good 'nuff". But better these than threads where people are wishing they could get a black rifle.


    Oh, and Grant, you have some incredible patience. (Yeah, I'm talking about that recent Del-Ton thread).
    Thanks. I wasn't always this calm (has been a learned skill when dealing full on retards).



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Thanks. I wasn't always this calm (has been a learned skill when dealing full on retards).



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    My hats off to you.


    The ironic part is that that guy you had the exchange with always seems to go out of his way to knock on the known decent brands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rojocorsa View Post
    Amen brother.

    It doesn't do shit, and black rifles are now more popular than ever in CA!

    So much so that Calguns even has threads bagging on AR "snobs" and that "my Oly/DPMS/Bushy/Del-Ton is good 'nuff". But better these than threads where people are wishing they could get a black rifle.


    Oh, and Grant, you have some incredible patience. (Yeah, I'm talking about that recent Del-Ton thread).
    Most gun stores around San Diego sell black rifles like they are going out of style. That said I was turned away from one who refused to do a transfer on a OLL for me. Never mind the fact that all ffl holders in KA are required by law to accommodate all face to face transfers.

    Another reason I can't wait to move is the insane markup on black rifles here. On average you will pay 300+ more than if you bought the same weapon in a free state.

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    Move to Texas! Even Gov Rick Perry packs a pistola!!!

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    I like many others bought a DPMS as my first AR. I loved it and I felt like I knew it all after my purchase. I had the x is as good as y syndrome and I hate to admit it but I also put a NC Star scope on it and a cheap rail on the carry handle. I was the coolest kid on the block b/c none of my other friends had an AR.

    Then I began to familiarize myself with the gun taking it apart and I began to notice small differences in my rifle and the ones posted here by many. That bothered me, so I took it upon myself to research and educate myself about the AR world.

    I stopped posting about how great my rifle was and started to read the posts here. I always thought that I knew a great deal about guns and once I shut my mouth and decided to learn from those that knew more than me I had an epiphany. My gun was not as good as I thought. I bought for a fighting rifle but it was really a novelty gun, made to fool the uneducated to make them think that the elite in the armed forces use X rifle.

    I sold the rifle and began my quest for a real quality rifle. I decided on a DD M4 V3 and saved for about 3 or 4 months to purchase this rifle. When I held the rifle it felt different and it shot different. I also know that the manufacturer will stand behind this product due to a problem which was fixed w/o charge and they offered many sincere apologies.

    Now I am biased in a good way. I am pretty sure when people say, “hey, you spent way too much on that rifle when you could have x rifle for this much cheaper.” I smile and ask if they know about the “chart” or if they have fired more that 1,000 of the cheapest dirtiest ammo w/o cleaning and had any malfunctions in a carbine class. Usually it is an unsure “yea, I shoot all the time.” Some people learn others prefer ignorance.

    I read and learn way more than I post here b/c I don’t have the experience that many here do. So thanks again all at M4 for the vast library of knowledge and helping a poor fool see the light.
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

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