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    Quote Originally Posted by g5m View Post
    How does that Norinco compare?
    Typical for Norinco...the springs can't be trusted and they look pretty rough, but they shoot fairly well, at least for the first few thousand rounds. I don't personally know anyone who's got more than 3-4000 rounds on theirs so past that I'm not sure, and the small parts are pretty sketchy looking.

    Most of the guns seem to be built to standard Norinco drunk-on-fermented-rice spec, so if modularity is your favourite thing about the AR, it's time to find a new favourite thing.

    My basic experience with them is like all the Norinco stuff I have used (which is lots). They're typically rough and ugly and you need to go in expecting small parts replacement is a high probability right off the bat. I would not trust the assembly at all. However, if you don't need to add any go-fast bits, you just want a plain-jane M4, I actually think they're not too bad. Of course the Norinco bar is set pretty low, so saying they're "not too bad" is obviously not the same thing as "left side of the chart".
    Full disclosure: I'm the editor of Calibre Magazine, which is Canada's gun magazine. In the past I've done consulting work for different manufacturers and OEM suppliers, but not currently. M4C's disclosure policy doesn't seem to cover me but we do have advertisers, although I don't handle that side of things and in general I do not know who is paying us at any given time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77thNYSV View Post
    Same with me. Before finding M4C, I was close to either getting a bushmaster or RRA and a big factor in my decision was the cost.

    After educating myself here, I got my Daniel Defense m4v2 brand new for $1200. It came with a magpul adjustable buttstock, vertical grip, 7" quad rail and a 30 rd pmag. Now I laugh at the idea of me nearly getting a Bushmaster for $100-$200 cheaper but then adding the same things that came with the DD m4v2. It was an amazing deal because I purchased an excellent quality AR complete with the accessories I was going to get anyways.
    That was me too. I bought an LRB AR lower from another gun forum I frequent and I was all sorts of ready to outfit it with a RRA kit and expecting this to make it through classes, a possible SHTF rifle, etc, and luckily I found this site. I "settled" for one of Grant's LPK stock kits, and a Noveske upper and glad I did.
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    I believe that the majority of people who walk into a gun store to buy an AR have no clue as to what they are buying. When a salesman holds 2 rifles up that look the exact same (except for the roll mark) and one is $1100 and the other is $900, and the man says they are the same thing except the people who make the one with the cute horsey on it want more money, unknowing folks jump for the cheaper one, after all...the guy said they were the same...right? It's not that people don't care about quality; they just don't know what they are buying. The store makes more profit on selling the others due to mark up. People make bad decisions every day...shitty cars, computers, boats, appliances etc. You might buy a laptop that would make a technogeek vomit...are you stupid, probably not...just uninformed in that area. The purpose of forums like these and others is to inform, and share information, not belittle new shooters. Just telling people their rifle blows ass...says nothing. People were proud of their Yugo too when they were around. Even DPMS, Bushy and the like put out serviceable parts, but taken as a whole, many do not always function as smooth as other brands. Are they complete garbage...no. Is there a better chance that if something was gonna break, would it be on one of those vs. a Larue, BCM, Colt...maybe. Shit happens, just happens more to the other brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devinsdad View Post
    I believe that the majority of people who walk into a gun store to buy an AR have no clue as to what they are buying. When a salesman holds 2 rifles up that look the exact same (except for the roll mark) and one is $1100 and the other is $900, and the man says they are the same thing except the people who make the one with the cute horsey on it want more money, unknowing folks jump for the cheaper one, after all...the guy said they were the same...right? It's not that people don't care about quality; they just don't know what they are buying. The store makes more profit on selling the others due to mark up. People make bad decisions every day...shitty cars, computers, boats, appliances etc. You might buy a laptop that would make a technogeek vomit...are you stupid, probably not...just uninformed in that area. The purpose of forums like these and others is to inform, and share information, not belittle new shooters. Just telling people their rifle blows ass...says nothing. People were proud of their Yugo too when they were around. Even DPMS, Bushy and the like put out serviceable parts, but taken as a whole, many do not always function as smooth as other brands. Are they complete garbage...no. Is there a better chance that if something was gonna break, it would be on one of those vs. a Larue, BCM, Colt...maybe. Shit happens, just happens more to the other brands.
    Best post in this thread. Which is mostly filled with the smelling of each others farts.....

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    Yip yip very good.

    I also can appreciate how if I'm AR-15 shopping I can do it smartly.

    Some rifles out there is over-priced or something... and there's almost no way to be a smart consumer when it comes to those kinds of rifles because A. there's only one maker or B. they aren't tended to as extensively as the AR has been.

    I would like to get into a non AR or AK rifle some time soon though.
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    I have a 6920. I bought Colt from the get go from my brother. What I know about ARs came from my brothers and the interwebs. My friends have had others. No name AR builds from pawn shops. I've got two of them up to Smith and Wessons now. At first, their no names with NC Star optics were just fine. Then the turrets popped off, burnt out or wouldn't hold a zero. Their rifles were so so. But always had hiccups. All the while me and my colt are chugging along chewing through every kind is steel, brass, reloads and things I might not generally call "a bullet" on most days. "How come your gun never ****s up?" was frequent. Then I bought a .22 kit and it shoots 100%. They try it in theirs and it wont fire. Put it back in mine and it chugs down magazine after magazine. Tell my buddy, "guess your guns a little different now, huh.". Not that a .22 kit is any determining test of a firearm. But if my colt and your Olympic are "same damn thing".... Why does mine fire anything I load it with and yours doesn't?

    I still have a friend, who is happy with his SKS and thinks "Just as good.". He also has a dust cover mounted nc star 3x with no turrets.
    It's the picture of perfection as far as he's concerned. It was malf'ing a few times the last time we went out plinking and I asked to look at it. He had cosmoline soaked grass in the action. Must be "the same thing" as CLP...
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    I paid around 1200 for a Daniel Defense. At the time no Colts were available at my local store.
    I am quite particular about my equipment - It must work when needed and under duress.

    It pays to buy quality.

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    I admit I didn't read all 3 pages here.

    Today I saw a guy at the new shop that opened by me.... This guy has money falling out of his ass. He had a Bushmaster with UTG rail, fake EOTech 5x magnifyer ? Should be 3x right ? And it was decked out with a CAA magwell grip thingy. At the end of the day I thought how this guy has money but isn't educated enough to spend it right.

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    I paid 1100 for my stag model 2t (plus package). Being too knew to ARs and firearms in general, I wasn't going to try to build my own, and for what I do with it, shoot at targets, its great. I live in ny, The closest priced colt was 1800 with the carry handle and standard handguards. So for 1100 with a samson free float quad rail (around 250$ rail) I feel like I did ok for a complete rifle in ny. I always see guys on here and other forums talking about getting colts for around 1000$, I've yet to see one that cheap in a store in ny or is have one. It's not even really a matter of what I can afford, I could've bought a scar if I wanted, but I set my budget at around 1000, because I felt it'd be ridiculous for me to spend any more on what boils down to an adulthood toy. If you want to say well its only 6000 more bucks for the colt, well then if I'm gonna spend 1800 on the colt, I might as well get the lwrc for 2200. You could go on like that forever.

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    Ladies and gentleman, imagine working in a gunstore

    I have the luxury, of listening to and learning from several people that have some real first hand knowledge on the m4 weapon system than i ever have,ken elmore to name one of them, and have been blessed to get a position to work in the firearms industry as a gun-store employee, doing what i enjoy, working with firearms, the truth of the matter, no one is born an expert in what a quality/ duty rifle and what a simple range/plinker/weekend rifle are . So it is very easy to assume its a ar 15 reguardless of maker they are all created equal.

    Not everybody can afford a noveske n4 or sr15 as their first ar 15, but it also is does not mean "just buy whatever cheapest". If a simple Ar 15 for 100-200 rounds every month or three then a s&w, olympic arms, dpms may work just fine. On the other hand , if you plan to really run your weapon like it was built to be ran/ putting your tail or families life behind the rifle, im talking a couple carbine courses , EAG, lms, magpul, Vickers etc then , "DONT CHEAP OUT", names like colt,bcm ,Danial defense etc should be your go to manufactures and even better dont tell me that your Olympic arms will run round for round with my colt 6920 or BCM or DD M4. With that being said, buying a cheap rifle and upgrading piece by piece in most cases will be more expensive. So that brings me back to the old adage, buy cheap, buy twice is so very true, save up get as good rifle as you can initially to avoid the pitfalls of having to spend more money in the long run, plus endure the headache of a gun that wont run.

    Working in a gunstore does not, i repeat does not make me an expert, i try to learn something new everyday, im just another gun guy that tries to put out the right information to consumers and not just throw around what ever the new buzz word/ bs product to make a sell , there are good gunstores still around and more than enough bad ones to continue giving gunstore employees a bad name as blabbering, ill informed know it alls . Ferrari performance can not be purchased at Toyota prices. and in closing you cant buy skill , buying the most expensive rifle wont make you a better shooter.Getting proper training on use of the rifle, and also shoot the D@*% thing.

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