According to this guy, his Mosin Nagant is better than any AR

[tmckay2]

i don't know what to tell you. my buddy has a mosin sniper, with the original scope and all that jazz, cost like 600, and without doing anything he rolls up to my range and hits an 8 inch plate about every time at 300, 400, 500 and 550 no problem. thats with a 70 year old, 3x magnification scope. he's a decent shooter but not amazing. how many people with only modest shooting abilities can do that with a $600 ar and 3x scope? this argument depends on what the purpose is as well. are we shooting big game at 500 yards? if so a mosin is probably better. are we shooting for tight groups at 100 yards? then maybe an ar. it just depends on the rifle, shooter and purpose.

[p22shooter30]

holy thread resurrection batman

[tmckay2]

holy thread resurrection batman

not really its only a few months old.

[p22shooter30]

fair enough, im glad you brought it back. i love talking about my mosin, but at 200 yards or less which is what i would think most combat would take place in an urban/suburb or wooded environment, i would take a 30 rounds in a semi auto form anyday of the week. for a strickly hunting application i would take my mosin along. which i have done for the last couple of years and will do again this year. deer dont run far when you hit them with a 203 grain brownbear softpoint bullet. but i have never deer hunted with an AR. my wife might try it this year because she lovers her pink AR i built her over my scoped 308.

i guess it would be hard for your buddy with his scoped mosin to concentrate and aim well from 400 yards away when there is 30 rounds flying at him. i might not be able to hit him, but i can keep his head down while i run away or manuever closer. probably run away

[TacticalSledgehammer]

I've probably had a mosin in every flavor over the last 10 years. I still have a soft spot for them. One day (9 yrs ago, I was 20) I met up with a friend for a shoot. It was nothing fancy at all. He brought his dpms, & I brought a Chinese T-53 (Mosin M44). My $50 mosin shot tighter groups all day long. We switched rifles and it was still the same story. I then came to the conclusion AR-15s are junk. Of course now I see things differently and see what a real turd dpms is. Of course I think you could fight with a mosin; but realistically you turn yourself into a WWI soldier in a modern day conflict.

[Straight Shooter]

As a C&R License holder, and a lover of most military surplus weapons, I say lets not cast aside the Mosin, or the other old guns
without caution. I have always felt that mine would definately have a place in a SHTF/WHATEVER scenario. But, lets RIGHT NOW get rid of the notion that they are a match for a well made AR and someone who knows how to run one.
The Mosins, Mausers, Garands..ect..are hard hitting, long range bad asses, if you know how to use them. I can see hunting with them, using them against fortified emplacements that a 5.56 cant get into,
and other situations where hard hitting ammo is called for. I say, yes, have a few, get a good bit of ammo, and practice with them outside your normal AR range of fire, and enjoy them within their limitations.
I have been freakin amazed at some of the groups Ive fired with 60-70 year old ammo and guns as old, or older.

[cbr]

So, Would a person be better off in a SHTF situation with a $100 Mosin and spend 1500 on training and ammo, or a $1500 M4 without much training and ammo?

[Straight Shooter]

cbr-
MY opinion is your ****ed in either of those scenarios.
One worse than the other.

[currahee]

If I was going cheap on weapon preparedness (because I was cheap or actually poor) I would look for the right kind of shotgun. It is a much more versatile weapon and much better inside of 50 yards where most post SHTF shootings are likely to occur- not to mention PRE-SHTF defensive shootings.

If I had a half dozen or more people to equip and expected infantry combat it would still be 50/50 surplus bolt rifle/shotgun

[Bubba FAL]

I keep several 44s and Type 53s around for trading fodder in case of SHTF/teotwawki. A 44 and a couple hundred rounds of ammo will be pretty attractive to someone that hasn't bothered to properly prepare themselves.

I'll keep the FALs and ARs for myself.

Yes, the M-N 91/30 is long and awkward. The M-38 is much handier, but not so good for recoil sensitive types.