Recoil control...Push/Pull

[TN-popo]

I see the Push/Pull method taught for shotguns (as taught by Mr. Haught) ...and was wondering why it's never/rarely discussed for carbines as well.
I realize the 5.56 doesn't recoil much, but I'll try any technique that increases my speed and recoil control.

I'd like to hear more thoughts on this.
Thanks

[platoonDaddy]

Doesn't seem to be a popular subject, back in Aug I asked a question on push|pull and zero replies.

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=86683

[Gutshot John]

Not to say it wouldn't be effective, only that the technique lends itself more to the shotgun.

You have three general issues:

First as a recoil management technique there isn't really the need for a carbine. Recoil is already pretty light.

Second it doesn't lend itself to driving/moving the gun as quickly. When I'm shooting clays for instance, I rarely employ the technique as it slows me down.

Three in my experience it's a bit fatiguing to do over sustained range days typical of a carbine where you fire significantly more rounds. You might shoot 50-100 rounds of shotgun on a busy range day slightly more on a class. Carbine 300-500+ is more typical.

[Failure2Stop]

I know quite a few 3-gunners that "stretch the gun" when shooting rifle.
Personally, I find that I control recoil better with a more firm rearward pressure.

[Robb Jensen]

I use the stretching push-pull method when I'm standing still and shooting a lot of targets pretty close together. If I'm shooting and moving or shooting longer distance I have a more relaxed stance/grip on the gun.

Here's me shooting a fairly relaxed stance/grip on the rifle on multiple targets. I was shooting 77gr BH and using a KAC 3T comp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRTUz...e_gdata_player

[sboza]

I feel ignorant for asking this but I have almost no experience with competition shooting. I have not heard of push/pull with a rifle. Does push/pull = stretching = pulling in with strong hand and pushing with support? What are the benefits of doing this?

Originally, I was trained to pull in with strong hand and only support the weight of the gun with the underhand support grip. The last couple of years, I've adopted the thumb over grip and pulling in (with varying pressure) with strong and support hands. This took a while to get used to but made me a much better shooter.

Forgive my ignorance, I've just never heard of an isometric pressure concept for rifle.

[Raven Armament]

Yes, pull with trigger hand, push with forward hand.

Benefit is more control over your weapon during recoil as seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq74aiXn1b4

Technique starts at 0:50.

[wes007]

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Ive always found I control recoil much better when im pulling back on the handguard and pulling down on the pistol grip. That method does require a more aggressive stance though.

[platoonDaddy]

Yes, pull with trigger hand, push with forward hand.

Benefit is more control over your weapon during recoil as seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq74aiXn1b4

Technique starts at 0:50.

In the video, he is using a pump - so what happens to all the 'gained' control when he must pull|push the pump to eject|load new round?

There is no energy used to recycle the weapon, the only energy in the video is to control the shot. Would love to have seen him cycle the next round, to observe the control.

[Steve]

In the video, he is using a pump - so what happens to all the 'gained' control when he must pull|push the pump to eject|load new round?

very simple the energy used to control the gun is used to cycle the gun at a much faster rate as well because there is less recoil and muzzle climb and less time off the threat im sure Rob has a much better detailed answer on this but i find even with a my semi autos im able to drive and control the gun faster