CLEO signature requirement going away.

[Dolphinvet]

This nonsense has been going around for the past 20 years.

I also don't think this will end favorably for us.

Does anyone really think Obama/Holder are going to make it easier to purchase an NFA firearm? They control the DOJ.

I agree wholeheartedly. I believe this to be unsubstantiated rumor. I also think that Obama and his ilk have no interest in helping us own NFA weapons.

[Renegade]

This nonsense has been going around for the past 20 years.

I also don't think this will end favorably for us.

Does anyone really think Obama/Holder are going to make it easier to purchase an NFA firearm? They control the DOJ.

Several of the provisions I saw from when this circulated last January were awful.

[Iraqgunz]

I highly doubt that this is the case and it smells of rumor locker to me. The last thing I want (aside from abolishing the NFA) is people trying to do good by meddling with the procedure.

Kind of like that certain group that is messing with the Trust stuff.

[Renegade]

I highly doubt that this is the case and it smells of rumor locker to me. The last thing I want (aside from abolishing the NFA) is people trying to do good by meddling with the procedure.

Kind of like that certain group that is messing with the Trust stuff.

There is no doubt there are folks attempting this. The details of what compromises they have made is unclear.

[az doug]

On Saturday I spoke to a manufacturer friend, at the Phoenix SAR show, that had a meeting with a member of the NFA Tech Branch and another that he described as an ATF Bureaucrat. During the meeting they told him the CLEO sign off is going away. They also said they are going to require photos, prints, date of birth...on everyone listed on a Trust, Corp... that will be allowed to possess the firearm. They told him these changes are still 6 months to 1 year away from taking effect.

No, I did not speak to the ATF representatives myself, but my friend has no reason to embellish and he has been a good, reliable source in the past.

[Iraqgunz]

Interesting. I read somewhere that a certain working group was working closely with the NFA branch to close the "loopholes" in the whole trust process. I would not be surprised if your info is correct that this is the outcome.

I wonder if the BATFE is allowed to make these changes or does it have to be approved by Congres, especially in light of the fact that all of these years it has been determined that trusts or corporation are not individuals.

On Saturday I spoke to a manufacturer friend, at the Phoenix SAR show, that had a meeting with a member of the NFA Tech Branch and another that he described as an ATF Bureaucrat. During the meeting they told him the CLEO sign off is going away. They also said they are going to require photos, prints, date of birth...on everyone listed on a Trust, Corp... that will be allowed to possess the firearm. They told him these changes are still 6 months to 1 year away from taking effect.

No, I did not speak to the ATF representatives myself, but my friend has no reason to embellish and he has been a good, reliable source in the past.

[Raven Armament]

I wonder if the BATFE is allowed to make these changes or does it have to be approved by Congres

Yep. ATF has the same powers to make rules as the IRS does. Fancy that.

especially in light of the fact that all of these years it has been determined that trusts or corporation are not individuals.

Really?

[Reagans Rascals]

I was under the impression that even if the CLEO refused signature you can still move forward with the process by submitting his refusal in writing and then challenging it, or by simply using a trust.... how does the Sheriff not signing in a county in Texas potentially add 4 million people to the NFA timeline.............

[Iraqgunz]

Am I wrong? I thought the whole reason why certain steps were eliminated is because a trust cannot be fingerpinted? The same with the an LLC? I know when I submitted my trust documents I didn't send in photos or fingerpints.

Yep. ATF has the same powers to make rules as the IRS does. Fancy that.


Really?

[Iraqgunz]

I guess if 4 million people bought NFA items you would have a long wait. But, since that isn't going to happen any speculation is pointless. If you use a trust from the beginning you never get to experience the CLEO rejection.

I was under the impression that even if the CLEO refused signature you can still move forward with the process by submitting his refusal in writing and then challenging it, or by simply using a trust.... how does the Sheriff not signing in a county in Texas potentially add 4 million people to the NFA timeline.............