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Thread: Another Upper with No Forward Assist

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    I don't care for it in the pic, but I too would like to see it on a complete rifle.
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    To each their own.
    I've never needed to use the FA, but I see no reason to eliminate it. The weight savings is negligible.
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    I said it in the other thread but I'll say it again here.

    Drop your magazine in snow or accidentally drop the rifle when the bolt is locked to the rear during a reload (easy to do in ice) and see if a forward assist is necessary.

    It is.

    Ask me how I know.


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    Like most things - you don't need it until you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.crash View Post
    i can count a few time where that thing has saved my butt

    Your life was saved multiple times by you having a forward assist when you used it in combat?
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    Removing the FA is a fashion trend and/or a weight weenie thing. Might as well remove the seat belts from your car. After all, how often do you crash?
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I've read of a reported case where the roll pin failed and jammed up the gun.

    Dumping the FA based on this is like not leaving your house every day for fear of a meteor landing on your head.
    That's a weapon maintenance issue and someone not properly inspecting their weapon. Granted, I don't look at every pin, roll pin, spring and screw every time I do weapons maintenance, but doing a thorough check every once in a while should be in anyone's maintenance schedule and would eliminate most of the possibility of this happening. I won't say all, because anything can happen, and when talking about a machine, the only absolute is that nothing is absolute.
    Quote Originally Posted by kartoffel View Post
    Removing the FA is a fashion trend and/or a weight weenie thing. Might as well remove the seat belts from your car. After all, how often do you crash?
    I like this analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I've read of a reported case where the roll pin failed and jammed up the gun.

    Dumping the FA based on this is like not leaving your house every day for fear of a meteor landing on your head.
    Why do you think I have so much time to spend on the internet. Space rocks are scary!
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    You almost have to have a FA with a non-reciprocating charging handle. I don't like them and I would say to never use it, if your gun can't get it in by the bolt group that is a check on its own. I understand the slow bolt stall and just needing a little umph to chamber and lock and in that situation it seems like the best thing ever,and in the end that is the most likely best case scenario given the wide range of skills people have. I still like the reciprocator charging handles in theory because it also gives you a visual in your periphery of the gun status, if it jams you can tell before checking a port door. On the other hand, working in tight situations with that beat stick coming out the gun, back and forth very quickly, could be a learning experience.

    So I guess I like the FA, I have always had a rule to never shoot reloads, and to never use the FA. I had to violate both at a machine gun shoot at Knob Creek at the same time. I was having to wack the FA so hard that my palm was starting to not be able to take it. I was just so pissed that I kept going but on the last one that took me about 2 or 3 major wacks I just gave up. The upper I was using apparently was brand new with a tight chamber as well. So this was a bad situation that I should have just stopped.

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    The FA isn't missed on the FAL with it's non-reciprocating charging handle.

    I've used a variety of self loading rifles with reciprocating charging handles for years (never in combat though) without getting beaten by them
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