Mrad and MOA, can you use both?

[Pappabear]

Who has scopes that are Mil/mil and others that are MOA? Can you run both systems without it overloading your math.

I would like to start to dabble with MIL/MIL but my others are MOA, any issues ding so? Any watch outs?

[QuietShootr]

Who has scopes that are Mil/mil and others that are MOA? Can you run both systems without it overloading your math.

I would like to start to dabble with MIL/MIL but my others are MOA, any issues ding so? Any watch outs?

I just made the switch to mil/mil from the regular GI mil/MOA Leupolds. The beauty is it's SO much easier - in fact, I still catch myself looking at a target going ....'okay, 4.25" is xMOA, convert to-HEY, wait a minute! I need to dial in .4mils. Done!"

[Gutshot John]

It boggles my mind that someone once thought..."I know we'll make the reticle in mils and the knobs in MOA, it'll be bangin'".

Honestly I can't understand why someone ever thought it was a good idea.

Running both moa/moa and mil/mil is suboptimal but still better than mixing them on one optic.

[orkan]

It's not too tough. 3.5 minutes to a mil.

That being said, I'm a fan of running one or the other. I like mils because my brain works in 10's and tenths easier than it does anything else.

[a0cake]

I made the transition to MIL/MIL a few years ago. I still have to work with MIL/MOA optics when training people on the issued Leupolds. If you have a solid foundation it's not hard to revert back to it when necessary.

[markm]

My brain works in MOA.... But I like the range estimating capability of the Mil Dot Reticle.

My next scope will be Mil/Mil and I'll just have to reprogram my brain I guess.

[orkan]

My brain works in MOA.... But I like the range estimating capability of the Mil Dot Reticle.

My next scope will be Mil/Mil and I'll just have to reprogram my brain I guess.

You can range just as easily with an MOA reticle. Having a reticle that matches your turrets, and is in the first focal plane is key. What system one chooses to use isn't nearly as important. It's primarily personal preference.

I can call MOA corrections with my mil scopes... so it doesn't really prohibit me from participating with MOA guys. It takes me a tiny bit longer... but it can be done.

Use the same stuff amongst your shooting buddies, so you can communicate easily. My group uses mils.

[rickp]

Use Mil/Mil. there's no math involved. Your reticle is your measuring device, what you see is what you get, meaning after you watch your impacts and any adjustments need to be made just look at where in the reticle the impacts hit and make that adjustment.

It doesn't get any more simple once you understand it and get out of the MOA mentality.

[markm]

Use Mil/Mil. there's no math involved. Your reticle is your measuring device, what you see is what you get, meaning after you watch your impacts and any adjustments need to be made just look at where in the reticle the impacts hit and make that adjustment.

I'm no expert, so I'm just throwing this out there...

That's all good when you can see your impacts. When your spotter is looking through a spotting scope with no reticle, he can't tell you how many Mils to correct.

On the other hand, If he can see you're about a foot off at a thousand.... it's a simple... "Come over 1 MOA" call.

[a0cake]

I'm no expert, so I'm just throwing this out there...

That's all good when you can see your impacts. When your spotter is looking through a spotting scope with no reticle, he can't tell you how many Mils to correct.

On the other hand, If he can see you're about a foot off at a thousand.... it's a simple... "Come over 1 MOA" call.

It's just as easy with MILS. Remember, 1 MIL is 36'' (3 FT) at 1000 yards. So the correction would be to dial or hold .33 MILS (assuming 0.1 MRAD adjustments). In your scenario, MOA is only easier because the correction you have chosen equals 1 full unit of measurement in standard US units instead of Metric.

You should be using metric with MILS anyway. Where 1 MIL = 1 Meter at 1000 Meters and 10 Centimeters at 100 Meters. Couldn't be simpler once you learn the metric system IMO:

Height of Target (meters) x 1000 / MILS = Distance to Target (meters)

Height of Target (cm) x 10 /MILS = Distance to Target (meters)

Furthermore, 1 MIL can simply be thought of as 1/1000th of the distance, regardless of what unit you want to use.

So,

Height of Target (yards) x 1000 / MILS = Distance to Target (yards)

I realize I'm off on a bit of a tangent here, but this will help somebody.