Mrad and MOA, can you use both?

[Pappabear]

Did you get a NF ARMY SPEC F1 Special Release...only 200 units were made???

Yup yup, taking back an MOA scope I bought last week from Sportsmans.

[Pappabear]

Id also get an app like KAC BulletFlight or similar. Its helped me a lot and I don't use it so much anymore once you start memorizing stuff. I also stopped "testing" so many loads and only have a few I use. It cuts down on confusion and wasted $$$ + range time. Get a load, learn it, and then go to work with it. When I first got into LR shooting sometimes I was shooting 5-6 different loads per range trip. Insane..

I have the KAC on my Ipad, might try Orkans $10 job for my phone. I do like the KAC so far. But I leave that behind often. I also agree, we are choosing a perfected load. When we rezero, it will be a good time to confirm our loads.

[a0cake]

For what it's worth I'll give a big +1 to the Shooter app. There is a built in reticle ranger on the firing solution page. Just input target size in whatever unit you want and measurement in whatever unit you want and you'll get range in whatever unit you want.

Also, if your mobile device has an inclinometer, you can simply point the phone at the target and it will update the firing soltuion based on shot angle. It works well too.

[ALCOAR]

Yup yup, taking back an MOA scope I bought last week from Sportsmans.

F**KING LUCKY BASTARD

I'm glad I don't have the funds quite yet lined up for my future NF F1, or I would have to jump on that extremely rare opportunity and pass up the NF F1 with Velocity 1000 reticle that Ive had my mind set on for quite some time.

Awesome glass brother, keep Mark and IG's sticky little fingers away from it

[rickp]

Guys this thread is on the money. I will read and reread this mofo many times. I went with a NF mil/mil FFP US army blabla scope. I'm going to throw it on my 308 and roll.

I have much studying to do, and in 12 months, I'll be solid with this "Milling".

Let me give you another piece of advice on your quest to education. When you start ranging and reading your mils reticle you have to break down the mil into tenths, DO NOT ROUND UP OR DOWN. What I mean if your milling and you think your target is just over 1 mil, don't just accept that. Think in terms of 1.1 or 1.2 or 1.6/1.7. You can even break that down too, meaning 1.15 or 1.75 for example.
When you start getting out to longer ranges that tenth of a mil and more can equal to 30 or 40 yards, even more., and that makes a difference.
Also, the way I was trained was to take a vertical and horizontal reading and average them out, it tends to give you a more accurate range.

I hope this was clear.

[Ironman8]

Great discussion here guys!

As someone who has never used either system, I've been told that the math and ranging properties of the mil/mil reticle would be much easier to learn than if I went MOA...even though I grew up with the "standard" measuring system.

For those who have used the MOA system, I see the reason for maybe not wanting to switch over, since it does work and you are used to it. But for a new shooter, who has used neither, do you agree that mil/mil would be the best method to learn?

[rickp]

Great discussion here guys!

As someone who has never used either system, I've been told that the math and ranging properties of the mil/mil reticle would be much easier to learn than if I went MOA...even though I grew up with the "standard" measuring system.

For those who have used the MOA system, I see the reason for maybe not wanting to switch over, since it does work and you are used to it. But for a new shooter, who has used neither, do you agree that mil/mil would be the best method to learn?

IMO, no question about it.

[orkan]

But for a new shooter, who has used neither, do you agree that mil/mil would be the best method to learn?

Both mil and moa work exactly the same. Both can be had with reticles matching the turrets. Both are offered with FFP reticles from most major manufactureres. Both can be employed in ranging, and both have fast "shorthand" methods of range estimation.

It really comes down to what you are doing, and if you are shooting with anybody else. If everyone in your group uses mils, then it wouldn't be very fun for you to buy MOA. They'll give you a rash of shit, and won't like communicating with you.

My choice is mils. I can shoot with and communicate effectively with most law enforcement and military shooters, as well as mils being the chosen system for all my shooting buddies. We made the decision as a group several years ago and re-invested in mil/mil/ffp hardware.

It's easier for my brain to work with a thousand yard shot that is say, 9.8 mils than it is 35.25 MOA. Then on an MOA rig you get to crank away like a lunatic on the turret. On my old nightforce, I'd be 4-5 revolutions deep. Obviously many manufacturers are solving that these days with "high speed" turrets. I don't like to be more than 2 revs deep. Mil scopes lend themselves to this much better than the select few moa rigs that offer it.

[Failure2Stop]

You're right this has gone from reticle choice to ranging.

The math is simpler in cm. what i find simpler is knowing the measurements of items in inches. I know a stop sign is 30" not a clue what it is in cm, or a head is 12" same for a doorway or fence etc.

40 inches is pretty much dead-on 1 meter.

[a0cake]

For those who like to use MIL or MOA reticle optics and measure targets thinking in inches, feet, and yards....

I have created a chart for you based on common target sizes and MIL / MOA readings, much like what ORKAN was talking about earlier. The chart he posted is way more detailed and better because it has more target sizes, but this one is editable because it's a live document. You can add more target sizes to this template by using Excel functions. You can click on the individual data cells to see how I created the functions if you wish to add more target sizes.

Some of the values are WAY out of the normal ranges that we shoot, but it was easier for me to format the functions in MS Excel this way.

You can rearrange this spreadsheet as you see fit for the ranges you shoot by taking a few minutes copying and pasting.

This was created out of boredom, maybe somebody will use it.

Anyhow, the spreadsheet is attached to this post...