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    Just ordered my 6920, while not my first AR by a long shot. It is however the best I have ever purchased.

    Now the real hard part, waiting
    Last edited by Nightgunner; 12-10-11 at 20:24.
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    Glad we could help you spend your money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I don't believe that is entirely true. There was virtually no cleaning and parts were replaced as they broke- as I recall. There are no real established maintenance intervals, per se.
    We received the carbine in late 2008 and put #14 into service shortly thereafter.

    At Brady, Texas, in March 2009, it suffered a malfunction, which was reduced with Immediate Action. The bolt was wiped down at 6,450 rounds.

    "At Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin, in May 2009, it had several failures to extract, and the extractor spring was replaced at 13,010 rounds. This is .

    At Wamego, Kansas, in June 2009, two bolt lugs broke at 16,400 rounds. We replaced the BCG. Considering the firing schedule, this is within normal parameters.

    At Columbus, Ohio, in November 2009, we had several failures to extract at 24,450 rounds. The shooter gave it a field cleaning and replaced the extractor and extractor spring."


    this is what I referring to. evidently the springs were not replaced at "maintenance" intervals but what they describe as "far beyond the normal extractor spring life under these conditions".

    the bolt shed bolt lugs at 16,400 rds. it is described as "within normal parameters"...

    I'm not criticizing. I just think any (or most) of the respected guns would have performed similarly and see this as a validation of the reliability of direct impingement/AR system. that it was a BCM is icing on the cake...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ra2bach View Post
    I'm not criticizing. I just think any (or most) of the respected guns would have performed similarly and see this as a validation of the reliability of direct impingement/AR system. that it was a BCM is icing on the cake...
    Really, though, even some of the guns I absolutely do not respect last a long time under harsh conditions.

    I had a bad experience with a High Standard AR15 and would never buy one again and never recommend one. However, the reason I bought one to begin with is that the range I worked on had a post-86 M4 built by them that had gone thousands and thousands of rounds without major issues. This rifle was run bone dry half the time by people who had no idea what they were doing, to include much of the range staff. Every few weeks I'd oil it up and maybe wipe it out if I had time- but for the most part it was completely neglected.

    For as much as we like to look at the details, the Stoner design really is amazingly tolerant of cut corners in most cases.

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    COLT
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    Better quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamarbrog View Post
    Really, though, even some of the guns I absolutely do not respect last a long time under harsh conditions.

    I had a bad experience with a High Standard AR15 and would never buy one again and never recommend one. However, the reason I bought one to begin with is that the range I worked on had a post-86 M4 built by them that had gone thousands and thousands of rounds without major issues. This rifle was run bone dry half the time by people who had no idea what they were doing, to include much of the range staff. Every few weeks I'd oil it up and maybe wipe it out if I had time- but for the most part it was completely neglected.

    For as much as we like to look at the details, the Stoner design really is amazingly tolerant of cut corners in most cases.
    that's not the issue. I use the term, "respected", to mean guns that pass standards recognized here. Some call this "tier 1" or other names but I think we all understand the meaning.

    the problem with "just as good as" guns is that while you or anyone else may have one that has run reliably over large round counts, the percentages are not in their favor.

    I'm not dogmatic about many things or even this in particular. I recognize that not everyone has the same needs or "mission". while some use these guns as tools of the trade and for serious uses, some just like to shoot.

    I break down guns and accessories into serious use and hobby categories. I don't see anything wrong with someone saving money if their intent is to have fun on the weekend, shoot competitions, bust some pop cans, cull the local coyote population, etc...

    I don't make the mistake though, of thinking that because a "hobby" setup has served someone well in those situations that it's just as good as the ones designed to a higher standard.

    for my money, I don't have any hobby guns. mine are all chosen and outfitted with the best known components and I suffer no crisis of confidence with any of them. not to say that they don't often serve in recreational pursuits as well...
    Last edited by ra2bach; 12-11-11 at 14:57.
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    That was the reason I decided to sell my 2 home builds that were less than stellar and use the money for the Colt. I am not a LEO or anything of the sort. If the need for more than recreation should arise I know that there will be no problem depending on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunsAndHoses View Post
    Buy the Colt. I have purchased one "as good as the others..." guns before. Never again, Quality first.

    I was in PSA the other day, I live near there Bluffton Store, and they have again switched manufacturers, that is the third by my count. Told me he couldn't say who the new company was but was far better than the previous one. Also while shooting the shit with one of the owners, the Freedom group came up, he told me "We will probably be approached to be bought out by a big company like them soon."


    Great prices on most of the stuff they sell though!
    If this is true, it's very disconcerting.

    I have a PSA middy and have only good things to say about it however, if they are going to continue to play musical suppliers just to keep prices low, I'll go elsewhere in the future.

    Consistency in quality would be difficult to maintain to say the least, assuming this is true.

    You did good to choose the Colt.

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    I think I am going to buy a PSA and shoot it hard for the next couple of months. I have the other stuff at the house colt/dd/lmt. I live in SC and would like to support a local company. Now which one to order is the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunsAndHoses View Post
    I was in PSA the other day, I live near there Bluffton Store, and they have again switched manufacturers, that is the third by my count. Told me he couldn't say who the new company was but was far better than the previous one. Also while shooting the shit with one of the owners, the Freedom group came up, he told me "We will probably be approached to be bought out by a big company like them soon."
    Who were the other two?

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