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Thread: I keep having to kick my friend's butt over Remington

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    I just dont get the reasoning behind this. Every gun I own is expected to pull "Go To" duty if need be.
    But not everyone has that outlook.

    Should a C&R collector be putting his Mosin-Nagants and MAS-56s "through their paces" to make sure their combat ready?

    What about a die-hard hunter? Should his remington 700s and marlin .17HMRs be his go-to guns?

    If you inherited a bunch of older odd-ball calibers hunting arms from your grandfather, would you get rid of them because they would be a "training liability"?

    Get real. I love high quality fighting guns as much as the next internet commando, but not everyone has the money or desire to overbuy on their hunting rifles to ensure they're combat ready for the zombie apocalypse.

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    Comparing a Remington 700 to a R15 (Bushmaster) is not a fair comparison. One has been used to great effect in the harshest environments (Hunting in Alaska and Africa to Military service all over the globe). The other is a hobby grade gun at best.

    I am an avid hunter, and would not hesitate to use my 1895SBL to defend my life. Any bad guy forcing me to use my Marlin .22 in self defense situation would regret his decision.

    The only gun I ever received via inheritance is a Remington model 1100, which has all new gas system parts, and nothing but high brass in the house.

    I am not and have never claimed to be a "commando" on the internet or otherwise. I am also not saying every gun you own must be a top shelf fighting rifle.

    What I am saying is that being proficient with what you carry on any regular basis for whatever reason, should be top priority.

    Given that semi auto rifles will be the first choice in self defense IF given the time to make that choice, buying quality is the best policy.

    If you dont understand, I cant help you and will not waist anymore of my time.

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    I'm in the market for an AR pattern 7.62. The Larue is leading the list but I'm waiting on the Colt. The Remington doesn't interest me at all. But, I'm not a hunter anymore.

    Anyway, 90% of my firearms are Glocks or AR carbines. With that being said how many posters here only own fighting guns? This is a silly argument. I have my Dad's old Double barrel, a pair of Walther P-22's, a few .22 rifles, none of which would be my preference to defend anyones life. Heck, even my trusty S&W 342, which is a self defense type of revolver would be way down the list should I know I had the need to defend myself or my family. Firearms are intrinsically interesting to me just like a fine camera, watch, or binoculars. To think ALL of them are primarily going to be used for defense of self, even on this board reeks of paranoia. To say that any of them couldn't be used for defense is just as silly. As a 20+ year cop I've seen many, many lives ended with firearms and can't think of a handful where a state of the art self defense blaster was used. Hunting firearms and el cheapo POS's are the preferred firearms for suicidal persons and dirtballs, respectively.
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    I have owned the Remington R-15 for a couple years now. I have put over 1,500 rounds through with no issue. I use it mainly for hunting, but also for plinking, as I have a TR20-2 3-9x40 on it and like to reach out to 500 every now and then. I have found no issue with the Remington's quality vs Bushmaster or RRA. It is not up to par with my BCM. I would take my R-15 to defend myself if my BCM wasn't available. I am certain it would go bang every time however the optic on it would limit me at very close range, although I've had no problem putting down a charging coyote inside 10 yards on several occasions. I understand the reluctancy to accept the R-15 as a defensive weapon, that is not what it is. I believe it is marketed towards the hunter, and it fits that role very well. I have killed nearly 30 coyotes and countless prairie dogs with this rifle and it has performed great. If your friend has Colt's, I don't see an issue with 'letting' (wtf) him buy a R-15.



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    After some modifications (new BCG, Troy TRX-E 13", magpul stuff, new camo brush pattern, TR20-2 Accupoint)




    Not all killed with my R-15, but you get the idea of how many we kill a year. Which this wasn't all of that year either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabazz View Post
    ...When I try to explain the quality differences, his brain shuts.....
    Maybe he's tired of you trying to impose your will on him. Maybe you are so vehement and persistent that you have no credibility with him. Maybe he knows you have no first hand knowledge of the Remington rifles and only know what you have read on the internet. Any one of these things might explain why he won't listen to you. Maybe he's not the one who needs fixing. Maybe you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    Comparing a Remington 700 to a R15 (Bushmaster) is not a fair comparison. One has been used to great effect in the harshest environments (Hunting in Alaska and Africa to Military service all over the globe).......
    This is an incandescently ignorant statement. I have never heard the Model 700 held out as an example of a dangerous game rifle or a rifle well suited to harsh environments. The weakness of the extractor and fragility of the trigger are well known. Why do you waste our time and bandwidth with this?

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    wormydog,
    nice pics of the song dogs. to me they're a lot tougher to kill than deer. I'm not very good at calling them in, most of the ones I've shot was while deer hunting along with a few bobcats. Keep up the good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911a1 View Post
    wormydog,
    nice pics of the song dogs. to me they're a lot tougher to kill than deer. I'm not very good at calling them in, most of the ones I've shot was while deer hunting along with a few bobcats. Keep up the good work!
    Thank you sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    ...This is an incandescently ignorant statement. I have never heard the Model 700 held out as an example of a dangerous game rifle or a rifle well suited to harsh environments. The weakness of the extractor and fragility of the trigger are well known. Why do you waste our time and bandwidth with this?
    While the Remington is not held as the example of a dangerous game rifle, it has been successfully used as such. Is there any documentation of the Remington getting anyone injured or killed while hunting dangerous game? Is the Remington extractor less durable than those of many double rifles used for dangerous game?

    Remington triggers have gotten a bad rap from those who do not understand it's design. Adjust it incorrectly or let it get dirty and it's trouble. Adjust it right and keep it clean and they are very reliable. Granted, it wasn't as durable as a combat trigger in Vietnam and other battlefields but it still worked and are easily replaced with more robust designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    ....Is there any documentation of the Remington getting anyone injured or killed while hunting dangerous game?.....
    Other than me MistWolf, do you even know anyone who has owns a dangerous game rifle?

    "....Is there any documentation of the (Bushmaster) getting anyone injured or killed while.....?"

    Funny, sometimes evidence is demanded, sometimes, well, everyone just knows so no evidence is necessary.
    Last edited by Suwannee Tim; 12-19-11 at 08:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkracka View Post
    It's his money what do you care?
    He is my friend.

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