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Bill Tidler Jr.
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...We have long maintained that the only accessories that a 1911 needs are a trigger you can manage, sights that you can see, and a dehorning job. That still goes.
~Jeff Cooper
I have an SSA-E in my precision AR and a stock AR trigger in my carbine. I really like the feel of the SSA-E. The break is clean and crisp and as long as it properly greased, the 1st stage is very smooth.
The stock trigger, which I got from PSA, has lots of creep, started off gritty, has a heavy pull and a rolling break. Once I greased the sears, the grittiness went away and the trigger is consistent and predictable.
The stock trigger seems to be faster than the Geisselle. I put the precision lower on my carbine to see if there was a difference in handling with the UBR stock compared to the CTR. When shooting quickly, I had more trouble with the Geiselle not resetting than the stock trigger. However, that could be because I haven't run the Geiselle fast much. I do feel that while the SSA-E is the right trigger for my precision AR, it's too light for my carbine
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- ROAD-RUNNER LIFTS GLASS OF WATER- PULLING UP MATCH
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-WILE E. COYOTE, AUTHOR OF "EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE, I LEARNED FROM GOLDBERG & MURPHY"
I am American
I said it before and I'll say it again......
Can't beat Geissele triggers....The man is an engineering genius...
I have the SSA, The S3G and am going to try an adjustable DMR one next.......All great triggers....nothing else compares in performance,function, reliablity and quality..............
The standard stock triggers are junk period...IMO....I threw mine in the trash after buying Geissele's triggers....
The trigger is what makes the gun highly accurate...
I have the SD-C in my rifle and I've been very happy with it. I don't have a lot of AR experience though, so take my opinion for what it's worth. From what I understand the SD-C is comparable with the SSA, except with the straight trigger bow. The SD-E is likewise comparable with the SSA-E. I really like the feel of the flat trigger.
Steve
I am definitely not against aftermarket triggers, or trigger jobs in weapons. Specifically for the AR/M4 platform I have a couple including an SSA in one rifle and a S3G on the way. I have very specific uses for these triggers. I have done some very extensive testing on stock USGI types and the SSA.
1 - I have measured the fastest splits with a USGI and a much more positive reset allows me to have greater consistency at speed.
2 - I see no measurable accuracy increase in a non magnified battle type rifle from 50 yards out to at least 450 yards that I can purely attribute to the trigger.
3 - On a high magnified, sub MOA, precision rifle, I only notice about .1-.15 MOA difference that I may be able to attribute to the trigger types and that would really be nitpicking. Of course shooter skill plays a large factor here and the more proficient the shooter is with fundamentals, the less the trigger type becomes a factor.
I often produce much better shooters, or may teach experienced shooters to become more proficient with their overall fundamentals of marksmanship (not just trigger control) via the use of a heavier pull trigger such as a USGI type. There is no doubt that in a a true precision rifle with magnification out to long distances where ultimate accuracy and precision are key, I want a great trigger. For a battle type rifle, I prefer a USGI type trigger.
I agree. I have 2 SD-E's and I cant see myself ever returning to GI or for that matter even a curved trigger bow. I think the flat bow is a huge improvement in the feel of a trigger. In the end i guess its all personal preference but I will solely be using SD_E's in all future rifles be it precision, SBR's or whatever.
In fact, i had the stock LMT 2 stage in my MWS and i honestly felt it was a good trigger. Heads and shoulders above a GI but i'm so spoiled by the flat bow i had to sell it and get a SD-E.
Last edited by Dirtyboy333; 12-21-11 at 00:18.
Love reading the replies in this thread from Steve and Dirtyboy...like those two gentlemen, I was ruined for life the moment I started using SD triggers, specifically the SD-E and SD-C.
I also chuckled when you said above that the LMT 2stager was nice but it immediately was replaced. Such a true statement!
For GP type ARs, I believe the SD-C is the finest trigger made.
For Precision type ARs, I believe the SD-E is the finest trigger made.
We could try and measure the difference in accuracy or milliseconds on a shot timer to try and justify that either the stock G.I. single stage trigger, or the GA 2stage triggers are better than the other....ultimately much of it comes down to the feeling you get when using a GA trigger vs. a Colt stock trigger.
Hate to use the car cliche but its very appropriate here....
A Prius and a 911 will both do the job that they were built to do which is driving from point A to point B, however after you have driven a 911 to point B, it certainly sucks a big one to then drive a Prius back to point A.
GA trigger pulls produce a narcotic effect![]()
Last edited by ALCOAR; 12-21-11 at 01:21.
I'll echo the advice and say get a Geiselle if you want one. Personally I'd say stay with around 5 lbs pull weight and don't get a 2 stage but whatever, it's your money.
The standard trigger on an AR is particularly bad. Non of my other military rifles have triggers as bad as my standard M4s. Even my Bulgarian AK has a trigger that I like more. Sure, you can get good results with a stock trigger but if you want to buy a reliable aftermarket trigger more power to you. In my experience a Geiselle is every bit as reliable as a standard USGI trigger. If I was allowed to put a Geiselle on my work gun I'd do it tomorrow.
Right on Tridentand it's thanks to you that i've gotten to experience the "high". Then again it's also thanks to you that my bank account's drained haha
mkmckinley: Yeah, you know it's bad when the trigger on an old "battle axe" AK feels more refined and consistent than a more modern "scalpel" type rifle of the AR. I feel the same way about AK vs. AR triggers and i'm not even a fan of AK's.
All of these recommendations are spot on. All my builds feature Geissele triggers, staked Noveske QD plates and I'm gradually phasing in the B.A.D. selectors.
I will say this, it's not too difficult to greatly improve a stock GI trigger. If you do a speed cut on the hammer, use the JP Rifles duty trigger springs, hit the engagement surfaces LIGHTLY with some Flitz on a felt bob and use a quality grease during assembly, you'll wind up with a darn good trigger for under $20 extra.
As someone who considers themselves a rifleman, I simply cannot accept a crappy trigger when there are any number of ways to have a better one. Can I shoot well with a crappy trigger? Sure. Can I do it faster and possibly even better with a good trigger? Absolutely.
Last edited by glocktogo; 12-21-11 at 03:10.
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