MAGPUL's art of the Precision rifle

**Dirk Williams** · 12-22-11, 13:05

Arrived yesterday, good stuff, especially if your shooting a Horus reticle, and using their PDA.

Anybody seen this and have an oppinion.

Dirk

**DJK** · 12-22-11, 14:42

Check it out here:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=93910

**Dirk Williams** · 12-22-11, 19:43

After watching all five of the dvd's, I think it's good stuff and helpful. My rifles have PMII's with 4F4 reticles. The mil math kills me Im determined to learn what these guys are teaching.

For me this is a great oppertunity to learn new stuff, without expending 1000's of dollars in travel and training expenses elsewhere.

I also use Bullet Flight mil. The Trag or Horus system is simply over welming for simple mind.

MAGPUL Thank you. I train alone pretty much all the time and this is a great tool to learn from.

Merry Christmas to you all.

Dirk Williams

**Ring** · 12-26-11, 14:25

Originally Posted by Dirk Williams

After watching all five of the dvd's, I think it's good stuff and helpful. My rifles have PMII's with 4F4 reticles. The mil math kills me Im determined to learn what these guys are teaching.

For me this is a great oppertunity to learn new stuff, without expending 1000's of dollars in travel and training expenses elsewhere.

I also use Bullet Flight mil. The Trag or Horus system is simply over welming for simple mind.

MAGPUL Thank you. I train alone pretty much all the time and this is a great tool to learn from.

Merry Christmas to you all.

Dirk Williams

having had used 4 or 5 of the top ballistic handhelds, i can say that Bullet Flight sucks... features and usability....

look at "shooter ballistics" and "Ballistic FTE" both ar 100% more user friendly and have more usability..

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/balli...303254296?mt=8

http://shooter.kndy.net/

**Dirk Williams** · 12-26-11, 14:36

What would the top 4 or 5 be?. My scope's are PMII P4F's not a P4P. Educate me, why the other's over my Bullet Flight.

I'd admit that it's a couple years old now but seems to drop bullets right where I need them when I shoot which isn't much since I retired.

Thank you in advance.
Dirk Williams

**Dirk Williams** · 12-26-11, 14:47

I had seen that link , it's typical psyco babble from those who have not reviewed the new training vid. I watched it twice over the holiday I personally think there's alot to learn.

I'd admit it's different then all the schools Ive been to. I think that is why I like it, a different spin on what I love doing, which means another oppertunity to further my learning experience.

Shooting a 308 to a mile is impressive. "Them not Me"

If I had an observation I wish more scope data was incorporated Im not big on Horus, as every school ive attended in the past a fellow students Horus took a dump. perhaps the company has since rectified those break issues.

In fairness I would share that while at a school in Alameda County Ca one of the Horus scopes went down, Jeff Reed called Horus after class and the problem was fixed that evening by Horus who got the parts over to ACSO. That was impressive.

Thanks again for hooking me up with that loop

Dirk

**Ring** · 12-26-11, 14:48

im not knocking the accuracy, it is just as accurate as the others i posted... its the features and usability that sucks for the $$$..

both shooter for 10$ and FTE for 20$ has G7 data built in.. KAC "30$" only has G7 for .mil loads

the "wiz wheel" in KAC is 25y/m jumps... the others can be set to anything you like, IE:5y/m jumps..

the other 2 i can jump from range finding back to the HUD and right back.. KAC, cant do that..

"shooter" can input 5 down range actual dopes to tweek perfection out of the drop charts

KAC can calculate true BC in the same way, but only for 1 data point. FTE is the same
EDIT:.. this is a issue mostly past 600y shooting...

something i would read is this..

Sources of Ballistic Program Inaccuracies
by Linden B. (Lindy) Sisk
http://www.arcanamavens.com/LBSFiles...oads/Programs/

thats just a few things..

**Dirk Williams** · 12-26-11, 15:14

Interesting, I had plugged in G7 on my loads and loaded ammo from Brians book. I just checked my 338 lm add on, and it had in fact reverted back to G1.

I'll add the others , are they available in the apple store?.

Thanks for the education.
Dirk

**Ring** · 12-26-11, 17:33

ive been running KAC, FTE and 2 other for 2 years now, just started with shooter.. shooter will only run on IOs5, so wont run on the older ipods, just gen 3/4 ipods and iphones but out of the 3, get shooter.. + its just 10$, so cant go wrong...

**supersix4** · 12-26-11, 20:12

Originally Posted by Ring

ive been running KAC, FTE and 2 other for 2 years now, just started with shooter.. shooter will only run on IOs5, so wont run on the older ipods, just gen 3/4 ipods and iphones but out of the 3, get shooter.. + its just 10$, so cant go wrong...

Is it accurate? Have you tried it at long distances? JMB is pretty good if you give it good data. How does it compare with FTE?

Thanks