Who has had an EOTech problem?

[Mall_Ninja]

ETA - It is a 511 N Cell model.

Problem identified: Discontinued problematic model.

I know it doesnt make you feel better as you are "stuck" with the problem model. Dont let that deter you from making educated choices in the future. No one has a product that has been perfect from the start.

No one...

[Iraqgunz]

I'm guessing you don't know Larry well. You state, that he has financial and emotional attachment to Aimpoint.

I doubt that is the case. If he consulted he was more than likely paid a consultation fee after he finished. I doubt that they are giving him stock options or residuals.

He also doesn't generally get emotional about products. But, he does feel strongly about shit that works and shit that doesn't.

For those of us who have used both we didn't need an epiphany to figure out which was better.

It's alot like comparing a Colt M4 with a DPMS AP4.

I mis-spoke. the T1 was, in part, his brain-child, according to him, though, and he is a FORMER consultant.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=11528



This post by him is what I was getting at. Mr. LAV has a financial and emotional personal investment in the Aimpoint brand, which I feel he is rather upfront about. I am not trying to stir a pot, or say that his opinion's weight should be questioned, only saying that he is in the minority of those of his kind who strongly prefer the Aimpoint over the Eotech, from my vantage point here on the forums and what training courses I have attended, and that he has had a former intellectual and financial interest in the company producing said product, and implying that it is possible, if not probable, that his bias is partially due to liking the product that he pushed them to create.

[sinlessorrow]

I'm guessing you don't know Larry well. You state, that he has financial and emotional attachment to Aimpoint.

I doubt that is the case. If he consulted he was more than likely paid a consultation fee after he finished. I doubt that they are giving him stock options or residuals.

He also doesn't generally get emotional about products. But, he does feel strongly about shit that works and shit that doesn't.

For those of us who have used both we didn't need an epiphany to figure out which was better.

It's alot like comparing a Colt M4 with a DPMS AP4.

I wouldn call that a fair comparison. There are tons of Eotechs out there runnin fine in hard use, a DPMS wouldnt last 5 minutes.

And to be fair I have a pic of numerious M2's and M4 aimpoints broken and it was just what could fit in the pic.

[Larry Vickers]

Iraqgunz pointed me to this thread - I guess I should clarify my position;

1) Aimpoint is a sponsor of my show and I am very proud of that fact

2) I did urge them to make a small sight as I felt that market was wide open - they informed me they were working on one and the end result was the Micro ; a huge success

3) I call myself the worlds biggest Aimpoint fan; after what I have put their products thru I couldn't Imagine using another red dot sight

4) Many other instructors use Eotech's - that's fine with me. To each his own

The bottomline is the end user needs to decide what is best for their own use - for me it is Aimpoint. For others it is Eotech. Eotech's problems are well documented - if your works for you great; if it doesn't you can't say you weren't warned

Big boy rules

[aguila327]

As one of the people responsible for purchasing in my dept. I'll add my 2 cents worth:

When we first started our involvement in a county wide SWAT team we purchased EO Techs for our brand new colts. We were very happy until our first call outs. They usual problems (dead batteries, compressed contacts, screen coming loose) we all know about now. EO Tech fixed them all and their service was outstanding, but in the end the battery life was the main failing in our eyes.

We tested and have slowly started replacing all of our EoTechs with Aimpoints Pros and have approved the T-1's, M3 & M4's for privately owned/Dept. approved (PODA) patrol rifles.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that EoTech is garbage. Its just that the Aimpoints are so damn reliable. Especially on rifles that go from locker to patrol vehicle and back three times a day and handled by different officers on a shift by shift basis.

BTW: The EoTechs are still being used but only on permanantly assigned or PODA rifles.

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[Wake27]

Iraqgunz pointed me to this thread - I guess I should clarify my position;

1) Aimpoint is a sponsor of my show and I am very proud of that fact

2) I did urge them to make a small sight as I felt that market was wide open - they informed me they were working on one and the end result was the Micro ; a huge success

3) I call myself the worlds biggest Aimpoint fan; after what I have put their products thru I couldn't Imagine using another red dot sight

4) Many other instructors use Eotech's - that's fine with me. To each his own

The bottomline is the end user needs to decide what is best for their own use - for me it is Aimpoint. For others it is Eotech. Eotech's problems are well documented - if your works for you great; if it doesn't you can't say you weren't warned

Big boy rules

Thanks for your input as always.

[pointblank4445]

I have 7 under may care (department purchased 5-6 years ago). 3x take AA batteries and 4x take the E90 batteries. Forgive me for not knowing the model/series numbers as they are not worth my time to learn (foreshadowing)

95% of their life is in storage on less-lethal munition launchers. They are checked every 2 weeks and the batteries are changed out as needed as well as every July and January regardless of use as per protocol.

Of these 7 optics, 2 to were dead-lined completely and shipped back to EOTech.

Of the 7, 6 of those optics have failed at a critical point due to actual optical/mechanical failure. Most of these "failures" were battery-life related. By my records only 1 has a perfect operational record. A 14% success rate for those keeping score. With Aimpoints, our number in use is larger with fewer noted failures over a longer period of service (ending Aimpoint cheerleader rant).

Opinions on these optics are what they are. Always consider who is doing the talking vs. who is footing the bill. If I had an endless stream of batteries and could just march down to the armory every time my optic did something unintended, I might like EOTechs too....

[sinlessorrow]

Wrong thread.

[Mall_Ninja]

3x take AA batteries and 4x take the E90 batteries.

What model would that be?

Of these 7 optics, 2 to were dead-lined completely and shipped back to EOTech.

Of the 7, 6 of those optics have failed at a critical point due to actual optical/mechanical failure.

Im pretty good at math, something doesnt "add up" with these 2 statements, or am I confused?

Most of these "failures" were battery-life related.

LOL You really consider dead batteries a "failure"?!?

By my records only 1 has a perfect operational record. A 14% success rate for those keeping score.

For those of us keeping score, what is the failure rate of your Aimpoints? Which models are they?

With Aimpoints, our number in use is larger with fewer noted failures over a longer period of service (ending Aimpoint cheerleader rant).

As I already asked, please share those failure types and failure rates.

Always consider who is doing the talking vs. who is footing the bill.

SOUND advice!

[pointblank4445]

The E90's or "N Series" are model 511

2 of the 7 optics died completely...never to work again. No trauma to note. They just would never turn on again despite all troubleshooting measures suggested by the manufacturer.

of the remaining 5,
2x are not bright enough to be used in daylight.
1x wants to turn itself off after about 30 minutes regardless of the battery. We also suspect this unit to have zero retention issues.
1x if it gets used, it WILL require a battery change the next time it is used.

No matter how you do the math, that leaves ONE and only one (Unit #4 as we call it on a Mossberg 590) that has not failed to deliver.

These are the KNOWN issues and not counting all of the batteries we've blown through and accounts of guys shouldering their weapon and there is no reticle to be found.

I want to say we have 15 or 16 Aimpoints in circulation ranging from new 2MOA Micros down to Comp ML2's. A majority of the Aimpoints are PRO's. Regarding Aimpoints, we have complaints with dot brightness on some of the Comp ML2's. The biggest problem we've seen with Aimpoints is how they are originally mounted and zeroed and not with the optics themselves.