Talk me into the AimPoint T1 with the DANG 4 MOA

[SteveL]

I sold the M4s and bought a T-1 w/ Larue lower 1/3 mount from G&R. I would've bought it directly from LaRue because I'm out of Dillo dust but fifty-sumpthin' bucks in tax ain't worth it!


Anyway, I went to the range today to try it out and I was super impressed!

I don't think the T-1 gives up anything to the M4s and it is damn sure noticeably lighter and smaller. I honestly think the bigger dot is better for me because I was able to turn it down more and it looked pretty crisp to me [outside in natural light].

I also shot with my irons through the T-1 and the smaller tube didn't hurt anything. FWIW I shot my best group today (@100yds, prone on the mag) with XM855 and irons.

I was using Federal AR 223 (55grn) and XM 855.

I'm not a great shot but I was able to hold an honest 4-5MOA @ 100 and 6MOA @ 200 prone on the mag with both ammos (yes I shot two big, ugly, nearly 1 foot groups at 200)

I zeroed it at 50 using the middle of the dot as the POI. Worked fine out at 200. I'm gonna shoot a match with it tomorrow and I don't see any reason it won't do everything the M4s would.

If this little sight is as tough and lasts as long as a big one, I don't see any reason for a big 'un.

Interesting. Thanks for the response. I think I might put my M4s on the EE. It's on a QD LaRue mount and is in excellent condition. I'm guessing that I shouldn't have any trouble selling it for enough to pick up a T-1 also in a LaRue mount and in comparable condition.

On a side note, if I make this change then I'm also thinking about replacing my Magpul BUS with DD or Troy fixed backup sights.

And with regard to your last statement, the T-1 seems to be good enough for LAV.

[BBQBOY]

I sold the M4s and bought a T-1 w/ Larue lower 1/3 mount from G&R. I would've bought it directly from LaRue because I'm out of Dillo dust but fifty-sumpthin' bucks in tax ain't worth it!


Anyway, I went to the range today to try it out and I was super impressed!

I don't think the T-1 gives up anything to the M4s and it is damn sure noticeably lighter and smaller. I honestly think the bigger dot is better for me because I was able to turn it down more and it looked pretty crisp to me [outside in natural light].

I also shot with my irons through the T-1 and the smaller tube didn't hurt anything. FWIW I shot my best group today (@100yds, prone on the mag) with XM855 and irons.

I was using Federal AR 223 (55grn) and XM 855.

I'm not a great shot but I was able to hold an honest 4-5MOA @ 100 and 6MOA @ 200 prone on the mag with both ammos (yes I shot two big, ugly, nearly 1 foot groups at 200)

I zeroed it at 50 using the middle of the dot as the POI. Worked fine out at 200. I'm gonna shoot a match with it tomorrow and I don't see any reason it won't do everything the M4s would.

If this little sight is as tough and lasts as long as a big one, I don't see any reason for a big 'un.

I went over to G&R. their prices were much higher than what you mentioned. LaRue has the T1 and mount for $640. If you were to buy the mount and T1 separately it would be around $100 more.

[ALCOAR]

Interesting. Thanks for the response. I think I might put my M4s on the EE. It's on a QD LaRue mount and is in excellent condition. I'm guessing that I shouldn't have any trouble selling it for enough to pick up a T-1 also in a LaRue mount and in comparable condition.

On a side note, if I make this change then I'm also thinking about replacing my Magpul BUS with DD or Troy fixed backup sights.

And with regard to your last statement, the T-1 seems to be good enough for LAV.

I think you should have taken my advice some time ago in regards to the RDS selection

I'm admittedly biased towards the T-1, but it really brings a lot to the table and does so in an incredibly small and uber reliable package.

Since I own several precision based ARs with magnified variable powered optics, I guess I never really needed anything less than a 4moa dot, and moreover I greatly valued the 4moa dot in the ultra light RDS package for my intended uses.....running it in a secondary role or on a SBR for cqb type work.

That said, the M4s is a great RDS optic, and for some it's a better solution than the T-1/H-1/R-1.

[SteveL]

I think you should have taken my advice some time ago in regards to the RDS selection

I'm admittedly biased towards the T-1, but it really brings a lot to the table and does so in an incredibly small and uber reliable package.

Since I own several precision based ARs with magnified variable powered optics, I guess I never really needed anything less than a 4moa dot, and moreover I greatly valued the 4moa dot in the ultra light RDS package for my intended uses.....running it in a secondary role or on a SBR for cqb type work.

That said, the M4s is a great RDS optic, and for some it's a better solution than the T-1/H-1/R-1.

Well I originally was scared of the 4 MOA dot due to my astigmatism so I went with a larger model for the smaller dot. However, now that I've gone out and used it a few times (including shooting at night) I'm convinced that it wouldn't make any real difference. Heck, I might even give an Eotech a try if I came across one of the newer models for the right price. The M4s is a great RDS. I don't mean to bash it, but I'm now of the opinion that it doesn't offer any advantage over the smaller, lighter models for me.

[samuse]

I went over to G&R. their prices were much higher than what you mentioned. LaRue has the T1 and mount for $640. If you were to buy the mount and T1 separately it would be around $100 more.

Hmm. Maybe the price just went up. I just checked and I paid exactly $624 shipped and all for a T-1 w/ LaRue tall mount from G&R about two weeks ago.

[hunt_ak]

Thanks for all the good info, guys. My new H-1 will be zeroed the way a0 suggests.

[BBQBOY]

Thanks for all the good info, guys. My new H-1 will be zeroed the way a0 suggests.

Do you have a link on how to zero it in the aO suggested?

[hunt_ak]

Consistent sight picture is the key. Doesn't matter all that much whether your dot is 2 or 4 MOA if your sight picture looks the same each time.

Also, zero at the top of the dot and the size of it no longer matters if you're into trying to shoot tiny little groups with a RDS.

Let's look at this practically for a second. Let's say, for example, that you zero a standard M4 with standard M855 ammunition at 100 yards using the top of the red dot.

For a 300 yard target, drop is around 4 MOA.

So, place the bottom of the dot exactly where you want POI to be and you're golden at 300.

For 200 the drop is about 2 MOA. Aim dead center.

200 yards and less is a no brainer with a 100 yard zero, obviously.

That's how I do things at least (although I don't think in yards, just using them for other people's sake).

What's my point? The 4 MOA dot is not a disadvantage at close range, obviously. I don't think anyone disputes this. Some people think it's actually better for faster acquisition. Where the 4 MOA dot starts to take a beating on these forums is in people's perception that it makes long range shooting more difficult. Well, at long range, you're going to be using holdover anyway. So WTF does it matter how big the dot is, if it's not going to be directly over the target?

You can use the example I gave above for 0-300 and be very accurate / precise even with a RDS. When you get out past that the dot is over the target anyhow.

I don't get how the 4 MOA dot is ever a disadvantage.

It's on page 1....

[hotrodder636]

Consistent sight picture is the key. Doesn't matter all that much whether your dot is 2 or 4 MOA if your sight picture looks the same each time.

Also, zero at the top of the dot and the size of it no longer matters if you're into trying to shoot tiny little groups with a RDS.

Let's look at this practically for a second. Let's say, for example, that you zero a standard M4 with standard M855 ammunition at 100 yards using the top of the red dot.

For a 300 yard target, drop is around 4 MOA.

So, place the bottom of the dot exactly where you want POI to be and you're golden at 300.

For 200 the drop is about 2 MOA. Aim dead center.

200 yards and less is a no brainer with a 100 yard zero, obviously.

That's how I do things at least (although I don't think in yards, just using them for other people's sake).

What's my point? The 4 MOA dot is not a disadvantage at close range, obviously. I don't think anyone disputes this. Some people think it's actually better for faster acquisition. Where the 4 MOA dot starts to take a beating on these forums is in people's perception that it makes long range shooting more difficult. Well, at long range, you're going to be using holdover anyway. So WTF does it matter how big the dot is, if it's not going to be directly over the target?

You can use the example I gave above for 0-300 and be very accurate / precise even with a RDS. When you get out past that the dot is over the target anyhow.

I don't get how the 4 MOA dot is ever a disadvantage.

This is excellent info! I am sure after a lot of ammo down-range I could have figured something similar to this out with my T-1, but this just saves me time. I can't wait to zero mine this way. It gives me 100-300 yard "zeroes" with really no tweaking to the T-1! Awesome!

BTW, to the OP it sounds like you just need to get out and look at the various sights and if possible shoot one. I was new (still am) to non-ironsights and I took a dive after reading a lot on here and got the T-1. I have not looked back since my purchase and I am very happy with the Larue Tactical mount it came with. My 2 cents...

[samuse]

Well I shot the match with my T-1 today. No problem at all.

I used it shooting weak side around a barricade, prone, standing, kneeling, rollover prone and moving. Range from about 3 - 100 yards.

The optic rocks. Nothing more to say.