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    I just picked up a M&P15 OR and other than the barrel (4150 steel and 1/9 twist) everything seems to be very high quality. Everything seems properly staked, MP bcg, chrome lined barrel, and easily upgraded.

    Now, I'm new to ARs and would like to attend a carbine training class. Since people are saying that this isn't a "battle proven" rifle, would my M&P15 be sufficient for using in this carbine class? I'm assuming that a lot of rounds will be shot during the 2 days of training (1K+ rounds) so will this rifle be able to take the abuse ok?

    Just b/c certain military groups don't use this rifle doesn't make any sense to not call this a "battle proven" rifle. There are law enforcement agencies using this, right?

    Any insight or opinions are welcomed...

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    I had over 3000rds down my SW with no hiccups....my only ever issue was when I broke a feed lip on a PMAG and it wouldnt feed properly...but that is not the guns fault at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greeneggsandsam View Post
    I just picked up a M&P15 OR and other than the barrel (4150 steel and 1/9 twist) everything seems to be very high quality. Everything seems properly staked, MP bcg, chrome lined barrel, and easily upgraded.

    Now, I'm new to ARs and would like to attend a carbine training class. Since people are saying that this isn't a "battle proven" rifle, would my M&P15 be sufficient for using in this carbine class? I'm assuming that a lot of rounds will be shot during the 2 days of training (1K+ rounds) so will this rifle be able to take the abuse ok?

    Just b/c certain military groups don't use this rifle doesn't make any sense to not call this a "battle proven" rifle. There are law enforcement agencies using this, right?

    Any insight or opinions are welcomed...

    If it hasn't been proven in battle, it isn't battle proven.

    Not being proven in battle doesn't mean it isn't good. Doesn't mean it isn't great. Doesn't even necessarily mean that it isn't as good or better than a battle proven rifle. But it does mean it isn't battle proven.

    Bring it to the class. Make sure you have a sling and ammo and some decent/good magazines. Have fun and learn.
    Last edited by Warp; 01-24-13 at 18:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greeneggsandsam View Post
    I just picked up a M&P15 OR and other than the barrel (4150 steel and 1/9 twist) everything seems to be very high quality. Everything seems properly staked, MP bcg, chrome lined barrel, and easily upgraded.

    Now, I'm new to ARs and would like to attend a carbine training class. Since people are saying that this isn't a "battle proven" rifle, would my M&P15 be sufficient for using in this carbine class? I'm assuming that a lot of rounds will be shot during the 2 days of training (1K+ rounds) so will this rifle be able to take the abuse ok?

    Just b/c certain military groups don't use this rifle doesn't make any sense to not call this a "battle proven" rifle. There are law enforcement agencies using this, right?

    Any insight or opinions are welcomed...
    It will be fine so long as you check staking, springs, and lube it generously.

    I do not consider police as military.

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    Re: New S&W M&P15 MOE Mid MAGPUL SPEC SERIES

    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    It will be fine so long as you check staking, springs, and lube it generously.

    I do not consider police as military.
    Agreed. If you've seen the difference between a multiple times issued M16 and a 5year old police trunk gun its telling. I actually say a little prayer for those select fires keeping us safe every night.

    Its funny how we never traded a little bit of freedom of religion after the Jonestown Massacre.
    ‘‘Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.’’
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    Guess what...

    Colts have failed in battle...get the hell over it.

    The DESIGN has been proven in battle. Little things DO matter but simple things like staking your castle nut can be done at home if you have half of a brain.

    Do not let the little things deter you from ordering a quality weapon.

    As we all know, some are better than others but at this point, it is pretty safe to say that S&W is offering a quality rifle WELL above the average.

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    I want one.....

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    What alloy is the barrel made out of ? What is the bolt made out of? HPT? MPI? shot peened? IMO S@W ARs aren't more ham a low end model with fancy looking hardware. Colt, BCM and Daniel defense all the way. They are about the same price with twice the quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveS View Post
    What alloy is the barrel made out of ? What is the bolt made out of? HPT? MPI? shot peened? IMO S@W ARs aren't more ham a low end model with fancy looking hardware. Colt, BCM and Daniel defense all the way. They are about the same price with twice the quality.
    4150 CMV, MP, HP barrels with 5 R rifling and a 1:8 twist. Also melonited instead of chrome lined and the upper featured nice m4 feed ramps.

    The bolt was marked HP/MP. Semi auto carrier that was chrome lined. Staking on the carrier itself was fantastic, much better than the SHIT line staking on my 901... I cant comment on the shot peening as i do not know.

    Unique profile on these middies that is quite light and pretty damned nice.

    The lower also featured the best Milspec trigger ive ever used. Only complaint was that the factory safety was stiffer than i would like, way better than any Colt trigger ive ever felt...Staking on the castle nut was done via straight, non circular punch of some sort but was adequate.

    I had no qualms putting the S&W right next to my Noveske Middie...The noveske is better on paper but when i go out and you know, actually shoot my rifles, with a T1 mounted to the guns, they both group and function the same.

    Right now Daniel Defense is the only manufacturer that is actually exceeding the "milspec" as far as offering a rifle in that price point that is truly refined beyond anything else. BCM is nice but they're simply a milspec offering for guys that care about certifications.

    S&W these days is pretty damned close to Colt in quality AND standards/specifications.

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    I really think this is a neat package S&W put together. Its to bad the recent hype hit. Who needs to put together a package when the bare bones rifles are selling faster than folks can make them? I hope things settle down and this package becomes available again... Its the perfect setup for new guy...

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