Ratchet Charging System for the AK

[96 SS]

Added cost, weight, and worst of all UNKNOWN RELIABILITY, to a now reliable platform. In return it offers tacti-cool appearance?

No thanks.

I highly doubt that was their aim.

[coynedogg]

delete this pls

[rchen404]

Anyone see a benefit to using this system if you're trained already on an HK91 and you're not concerned about battlefield pickup? Same manual of arms and you can keep the original bolt/charging handle.

I know a lot of people dont like Suarez but he may have a good point on consistent manual of arms, so it's ironic that he crapped on this idea. Guess he crapped on it before he started selling the PTR.

[SteyrAUG]

Anyone see a benefit to using this system if you're trained already on an HK91 and you're not concerned about battlefield pickup? Same manual of arms and you can keep the original bolt/charging handle.

None as unlocking a 91 will have an entirely different feel from an AK regardless of location. If you can't effectively transition from an HK to an AK then you probably need more general training with both weapons.

[rchen404]

None as unlocking a 91 will have an entirely different feel from an AK regardless of location. If you can't effectively transition from an HK to an AK then you probably need more general training with both weapons.

Well I wouldn't say "can't", but you're right, wouldn't it be easier for someone new to both platforms if they had similar manual of arms? Sure the HK will be harder to charge, but at least similar location.

From a purely economy of motion point of view, isn't it faster to charge the rifle on the left side? You're saving the motion of having to take your left hand and move it to the right side or tilting the rifle.

Another way to think about it: assuming you're equally skilled on both platforms, which can you reload faster, your M4 or AK? Now the life-saving impact of a few milliseconds saved is debatable.


Does everyone have a problem with this setup because it's aftermarket? Because it looks like Molot is moving in that direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=V3bM0uM76Gc


I personally don't have a problem charging the AK, but I am new to the HK platform so I'm going to invent a mod to move the charging handle to the RIGHT side.

[SteyrAUG]

Well I wouldn't say "can't", but you're right, wouldn't it be easier for someone new to both platforms if they had similar manual of arms? Sure the HK will be harder to charge, but at least similar location.

From a purely economy of motion point of view, isn't it faster to charge the rifle on the left side? You're saving the motion of having to take your left hand and move it to the right side or tilting the rifle.

Another way to think about it: assuming you're equally skilled on both platforms, which can you reload faster, your M4 or AK? Now the life-saving impact of a few milliseconds saved is debatable.


Does everyone have a problem with this setup because it's aftermarket? Because it looks like Molot is moving in that direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=V3bM0uM76Gc


I personally don't have a problem charging the AK, but I am new to the HK platform so I'm going to invent a mod to move the charging handle to the RIGHT side.

I think if a person has a strong foundation with ARs, FALs, HKs and AKs they won't have any problems. As a wise old Sheriff once told me, revolvers are revolvers and automatics are automatics. And expecting to be able to use an automatic just like a revolver is not the automatics problem but yours.

I grew up on the HK series and have been shooting 91s from the age of 12. And even though it would be almost another 10 years before I got my first AK, I can still charge an AK much faster than I can unlock a 91 and I can charge a 91 faster than most people I know.

If you're really worried about it, just get a SCAR instead of an AK.

[rchen404]

I think if a person has a strong foundation with ARs, FALs, HKs and AKs they won't have any problems. As a wise old Sheriff once told me, revolvers are revolvers and automatics are automatics. And expecting to be able to use an automatic just like a revolver is not the automatics problem but yours.

I grew up on the HK series and have been shooting 91s from the age of 12. And even though it would be almost another 10 years before I got my first AK, I can still charge an AK much faster than I can unlock a 91 and I can charge a 91 faster than most people I know.

If you're really worried about it, just get a SCAR instead of an AK.

Wow that's interesting, I guess because the HK's charging handle is folded, takes a bit more strength and the pull is longer. I'm faster on AK too, but I'm new to HK.

Thanks Steyr, I appreciate your insight this and your help on the HK platform.

[SteyrAUG]

Wow that's interesting, I guess because the HK's charging handle is folded, takes a bit more strength and the pull is longer. I'm faster on AK too, but I'm new to HK.

Thanks Steyr, I appreciate your insight this and your help on the HK platform.

Well specifically, it is because you are forcing locked rollers into an unlocked position rather than simply rotating a lugged bolt head. But the end result is more or less what you stated in that the HK is slightly more "involved." But if you have experience, it is no big deal. One of my favorite things to do when somebody says HKs are "hard to work with" is charge a 91 with a single index finger.

At any rate, if you wanted a faster AK a galil style charging handle would be a far more practical solution as somebody has already pointed out. Personally I don't even find that necessary.

[crusader377]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzBoJQ7w-fo

I had a chance to inspect and shoot a working prototype of a new product offered by Parabellum Armament for the AK. This device gives the operator the ability to charge the AK rifle much like a HK 90 series rifle (91, 93, 94).

Thanks for sharing. IMO it looks like a solution to a non-existent problem.

[Anchor Zero Six]

Not debating if its needed or not but I think it would have a bit more appeal if they had integrated a pic rail or optic specific mount into the system.

IMO that would at least offer an added benifit instead of telling all of the Ultimak fans to go with a different optic location.