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Thread: Midwest Industries Inc. Gen 2 SS Free Float Handguards

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    Yeah, I read it. So let me clarify my statement:

    You were grousing about the quality of the product because somebody else failed to follow the instructions on proper installation, so you were trying to fix it for the client, by not applying loctite and not following the directions. Hmmmmmm.......

    Either way it appears that there was a failure to follow installation directions and a subsequent failure of the product because of it.

    Imagine that.

    I have two of them installed, one has been shot much with no problems. The other is a recent install, but I don't expect any problems.......but then again, I followed the directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASH556 View Post
    Andy, thanks for taking the time to respond. I can appreciate MI making an effort to stand behind their product. However, your response (if I'm understanding it correctly) serves to lessen my opinion of the product. If MI is suggesting that Loctite be applied to the knurled area of the barrel nut to adhere it to the interior surface of the rail, I just can't get behind that. "Gluing" gun parts together as a primary means of installation goes against what I believe most of us here would consider to be a good idea.

    I also want to clarify that the opinions I'm expressing here are my own and have no bearing on and are not reflective of those of my employer.
    he said it is basically a fail safe in case the bolts are not torqued to spec

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    I think the point Ash is trying to make is being overlooked or missed. It's not whether or not the rail was installed to manufacture spec but an initial short coming in the design its self.

    While it is obviously a good idea to follow the instructions that come with a product because, well their there for a reason. The engineers seen a need to apply locktite to the barrel nut to hold the rail in place.

    I`m with Ash in thinking that this an engineering short coming in the rail "lock-up" method. No glue or adhesive should be needed to hold the rail on. Look at other designs by, Noveske, Centurion, Daniel Defense, and even Troy.

    This is by no means a rip on MI, I have a gen 2 ss12 on a precision AR and love the rail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black22rifle View Post
    he said it is basically a fail safe in case the bolts are not torqued to spec
    Relying on loctite to keep a hand guard on a barrel nut, especially when the two surfaces are lying flat against each other, is not going to be very reliable. If the fasteners loosen up enough then there will be play at the barrel nut, and it'll break free of any hold the loctite had on it, and simply fall off.

    There's a reason that the more expensive hand guards like the Centurion CMR and Geissele SMR have a slotted barrel nut. One of the fasteners fits through the slot, so even if it loosens up, the hand guard can't slip off the barrel nut

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    I think all you you guys are missing a very important part of the equation. the nut is knurled and is also a good deal longer than a standard barrel nut. When you tighten the bolts to proper spec the hand guard bites onto the knurling with a tremendous amount of friction. We have these units being used in very harsh conditions and we have no issues with calls or any returns. The simple facts are you can make any part fail if you try hard enough. I don t care who s parts you think are the the best I will bet a certain percentage have failed due to improper installation. Installation instructions are put there for a reason but unfortunately we cant force people to follow instructions without rushing, taking short cuts or using improper tools. We sell these units along with our G2 t series OEM to BCM and do you know how many failures we have had reported from them. ZERO. The reason that is they install them using the proper procedure. Prior planning and attention to detail prevents piss poor performance.
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    As a gunsmith in Wisconsin I've used MI products for years. I've watched their products do nothing except improve!

    The G2 T and SS series of FF tubes may not appeal to some.. and that's cool. BUT, it sure as hell doesn't make them bad products.

    Since their introduction onto the market I've installed w/o issue almost 100 of the G2 SS tubes. (of varying lengths)

    Installation is as simple as making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

    IF you read the installation instructions and use their INCLUDED thread locker AND give said thread locker the time to cure properly you WILL have NO problems.

    IF you don't read the instructions you get what you deserve.
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    Pete,
    Does the MI-SSK use the same barrel nut as the Gen 2 SS?

    Thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Industries View Post
    Midwest Industries is 12.625" and weighs 9.3 oz
    Samson Evolution is 12.37" and weighs 11.5 oz


    Here is our newest handguard, the MI-SSK which is also 12.625" weighs only 8.5 oz with the barrel nut.




    Thank you,
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    Andy, and whomever else @ MI reads this...here's my solution to the issue we discussed a few weeks ago with regards to the rail coming forward off the front of the barrel nut. Instead of relying on loctite to adhere the rail to the barrel nut, I installed the nut on my upper, marked the index point, then removed the nut and drilled and tapped each side for a button screw. Only the barrel nut is tapped, the tube is drilled .002 larger for a clearance hole. This is on a .308 SS hanguard on my Smith & Wesson M&P10. Now, I realize that not many end users have access to the tools to do this properly. However, I believe MI could greatly improve their Gen2 SS hanguard line if they would cut a groove in the circumference of the barrel nut. Drill and tap the handguard on either side to correspond with the notch in the tube. Include nylon-tipped button screws to engage the groove in the barrel nut on either side. There you go! A minor added step in production that totally eliminates the possibility of the tube sliding forward off the barrel nut without the need to "glue" it in place and hope the clamping screws hold it.


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    Nice job Ash !

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    Hey guys,
    Has anyone mounted an IWC Key-Mod Dropwing to the new ssk handguard? I'm looking to mount an Inforce WML with the Dropwing, to an ssk, but am unsure if it will limit the use of the front QD swivel. Any help?

    Thanks,
    Cole

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