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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
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    You self admit that Colt is better but don't you think their LPK's contribute to their "betterness"?

    You're probably right, RRA, BM, DPMS guns are crap but their LPK's are the cat's meow...

    A manufacturer's statement about how good their products are, is a real good source of facts. Just curious, do you subscribe to a lot of gun mags?

    Read your post real slow and see how gill-farted and contradictory it is...

    But maybe it's just me...

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    You are just saying the Colt, LMT, BCM, and DD must use better parts in their lower because they use milspec parts in the other areas. You are furthering saying the because RRA, Stag, etc dont follow milspec completely their lower parts must also be of lower quality. Do you not see all of the asumptions you are making to come to such a conclusion?

    As for re-reading my post, maybe you need to calm down and read it again yourself because I wrote that DPMS lpk's are shotty and there were several questions. I will ask them again and perhaps you can answer them with facts, not assumptions or speculations. I am also trying to learn something new.


    1) Can you buy a Colt, LMT, or BCM lpk?

    2) What is the difference between a DD lpk and a RRA lpk?

    Two simple questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRichie09 View Post
    You are just saying the Colt, LMT, BCM, and DD must use better parts in their lower because they use milspec parts in the other areas. You are furthering saying the because RRA, Stag, etc dont follow milspec completely their lower parts must also be of lower quality. Do you not see all of the asumptions you are making to come to such a conclusion?

    As for re-reading my post, maybe you need to calm down and read it again yourself because I wrote that DPMS lpk's are shotty and there were several questions. I will ask them again and perhaps you can answer them with facts, not assumptions or speculations. I am also trying to learn something new.


    1) Can you buy a Colt, LMT, or BCM lpk?
    Yes, Colt, LMT, BCM LPK's are readily available inside Colt, LMT, & BCM rifles. Other than that, Colt LPK's can be found at G&R Tactical and Specialized Armament. LMT parts are used in G&R Tactical's LPK's.
    2) What is the difference between a DD lpk and a RRA lpk?
    DD guns work and have few problems. RRA triggers are notorious for having problems, out of spec chambers, blah...blah...blah. Do some research on RRA and DD. A gun is the sum of its parts, if the parts are less than ideal ...even though they may be called "mil-spec" or the DEA uses them...or whatever....the gun is less than ideal

    Two simple questions.
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    BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight either.
    I just hate to see some guy reading this thread, get the impression that LPK's made by lower tier gun companies are some how "good".

    But maybe it's just me...

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    Last edited by ucrt; 01-30-12 at 01:46.

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    Can you link me to the Colt lower parts kit at G&R?

    You are talking about RRA two stage triggers, not their standard triggers. Then you deflect about the chamber specs and a rifle being the sum of its parts. You really cant answer the second question can you?

    This thread is about lower parts kits, not rifles as a whole. Out of spec chambers have nothing to do with lower parts kits. Perhaps if the thread was about RRA AR's vs DD AR's you would have a point.

    Here is some food for thought. Do you think that Colt, LMT, DD, and BCM make all of the parts in their lowers? Its outsourced.

    Also, you must realize that milspec is the minimum standard placed by the military. Think about Noveske barrels. They aren't milspec. PMAGs arent milspec. Things can be better than milspec. It seems to me the two of you made the mistake of writing LWRCi off because they make piston AR's and not on the chart. Ask about LWRCi. Perhaps you will realize your mistake.



    FYI my AR was assembled on stripped mega lower/upper receivers using mostly BCM parts. I like the idea that I know exactly what I'm buying and BCM does this better than anyone in the market. I also plan to buy an LE6921 after I get some other guns. I am no colt or bcm hater. I just realize that there isnt any difference in some of the parts no matter the brand. Next you will be telling me a Colt dust cover is better than brand y's dust cover, when infact its the exact same part from the exact same subcontractor.

    Stop putting all your faith in brand names and do some research instead of making assumptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRichie09 View Post
    Stop putting all your faith in brand names and do some research instead of making assumptions.
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    Thank you. I never knew such a thing existed. But TWICE the cost? Grant also mentions in the post that is linked by Bob Reed that this particular lpk is made of MOSTLY Colt parts. Not truly a Colt lpk. (The above isn't a response to your post randolph. Thank you for posting the link. The response is to the others who claim Colt lpk's are the end all.)


    Again can you explain what the differences are? Grant posts over that CGN and I truly respect everything he has to say but I don't think anyone has ever explain why one is better than the other besides some magical assumption based on the fact that its "milspec" while others are "milspec" but not really? What is the exact difference? Also, do you really believe that milspec can't be improved upon?


    EDIT: You guys are so caught up in the milspec thing that it seems like you think there is nothing better. If I was building a Colt AR and wanted to use JUST Colt parts then I can see where a Colt lpk would be useful just to keep everything Colt. I still have yet to see anything that would suggest a Colt roll pin, spring, or FCG is better or more milspec than a BCM or RRA lpk. Do you REALLY think Colt produces roll pins and springs? I can maybe see Colt making their own FCG but even that is unlikely.

    Quote Originally Posted by col.1981 View Post
    Maybe a lame question but, what LPK does BCM use in complete lowers?

    I am only assuming it's not in-house since 'BCM' LPK's are not offered for sale. Or maybe they mfg. some of the parts?

    And, while I'm at it what kinda lube do they send uppers out in? I just got one and can't say I'm familiar with the 'smell'.
    Quote Originally Posted by RRichie09 View Post
    Basically, I think you will be hard pressed to find out who makes their lower parts. From what I've heard, the BCM trigger isn't anything special so why worry? If you really want a LPK that is above normal standards like the RRA or Stag kits then get one from LWRC.
    The OP wanted a BCM lower parts kit that is not available. I suggest a LWRC LPK that is "better" than a RRA or Stag LPK. I still don't see what was wrong with my post.
    Last edited by RRichie09; 01-30-12 at 09:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRichie09 View Post
    As far as why I suggested a LWRC LPK is because according to their site their LPK's have hammer and trigger castings that are x-ray'ed before machining to milspec and the FCG is nickel coated. They also assure you that everything is milspec or better. So the LWRC is different than a standard LPK. It doesn't go as far as including a two-stage trigger so therefore if the OP wants a standardish LPK but something that is better than other standard LPK's it seems LWRC is the obvious choice.
    If you believe one thing those Ass Wipes at LWRCi claim, then you need to step back away from the crack pipe.

    (interesting that another LOW POST count guy pops up to astro turf LWRCi's junk)

    How long have you worked for LWRCi? Are the benefits good?
    Last edited by markm; 01-30-12 at 09:05.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    If you believe one thing those Ass Wipes at LWRCi claim, then you need to step back away from the crack pipe.

    (interesting that another LOW POST count guy pops up to astro turf LWRCi's junk)

    How long have you worked for LWRCi? Are the benefits good?
    Low post count? I must be new to the AR platform right, since M4c is the only forum where AR's are spoken about? haha.

    Seriously though, what is wrong with LWRCi? I joined to learn more about the AR but all I'm getting so far is emotional statements saying that brand X is better than brand y and brand z sucks without any factual evidence. I'm hoping you can change this.
    Last edited by RRichie09; 01-30-12 at 09:35.

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    You said that you've never seen anythng that says a Colt LPK is more in spec than an RRA? Have you ever seen the TDP? No, well heres a secret...Colt has. That statement is outrageous.

    I could care less about an LWRCi LPK, I wont buy one but you are welcome too. But a company who really doesnt make anything to milspec (ie Piston) wont be trusted to make my other parts either. They also have a shitty QC track record. For those reasons, I wont buy one.
    Last edited by LowSpeed_HighDrag; 01-30-12 at 12:53. Reason: Edited to be nice. That was too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    The funny thing about Mr. Richie is that he is a pussy. He ran to CGN and maybe other forums to cry about being treated like this:

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=529489

    Seriously? Grow a pair.

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    Maybe he is trying to send a profound message--"don't be emotional with me, or I will get emotion myself." Perhaps he is re-enacting what he perceives the behavior of others to be--emotional chaos.

    Maybe...

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