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    Military and the Middie

    I know that the mil is looking to possibly get a piston system but does anyone know or think that they will adopt the middie at some point?

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    Nope. They've made up their mind that they want a piston gun. And I think that's okay but retrofitting the AR platform is not the way to go about it IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotoplanb View Post
    I know that the mil is looking to possibly get a piston system but does anyone know or think that they will adopt the middie at some point?
    It's very unlikely in my opinion. Institutional inertia is very hard to overcome and the middy will be viewed just like every other possible M4/M16 replacement, a little bit better but not "better enough" to warrant the cost of replacing the current inventory.

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    I heard they were going all 300 BLK!
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    strictly opinions here... does anyone think that the piston AR will ever be "officially" adopted by the mil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotoplanb View Post
    strictly opinions here... does anyone think that the piston AR will ever be "officially" adopted by the mil?
    IMO it makes since. They can just replace the uppers.

    But everything will be just speculation unless someone with some "inside" knowledge joins us. Hell, even the military might not know at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotoplanb View Post
    strictly opinions here... does anyone think that the piston AR will ever be "officially" adopted by the mil?
    No. Especially with the budget being rolled back, personnel being cut, and Iraq deployments ending...

    There's only one piston retrofit that meets military specifications - the HK416 - and it doesn't do much now that the current M-4 doesn't.

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    Oh, and the HK416 has its own share of problems, too. There's a thread on this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotoplanb View Post
    I know that the mil is looking to possibly get a piston system but does anyone know or think that they will adopt the middie at some point?
    No. I think the main reason is because there is no set standard on gas port position, gas port size AND I do not think that middy gassed guns run all that well on FA.

    I know of one .Mil contract holder that had a problem getting a mid-length gun to run well on FA.


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    I cant seam to figure out what the heck they are going to do or why they are going to do it.

    I would advocate for a scraping of the whole issue and a re interpitation of the Hagues declaration III. Wide scale issue of new ammo with 70g Barnes TSX bullets or something along thouse lines. We dont need a new rifle we need a new bullet to fight an enemy that this treaty never applied to they did not sign it.
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