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    I am of the opinion that there are no magazine offerings currently available that will reliably load 30rds, and seat easily and positively beneath a closed bolt, across their production. I've seen and owned examples of each that will, and some will do so more consistently than others, but not enough that I'd call any of them a true 30rd magazine.
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    I use Pmags exclusively and I always download mine by two.

    I've tried to load them to full 30 rd capacity before but always had to slam the hell of out of them to get them to seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Interesting. Have you ever had someone put you under a timer doing a Tac Reload drill? Or just had you do any type of Tac reload under stress?

    This is where the 28 rule is king and why all professional instructors (especially ones with combat experience) down load their mags by 2.
    I train with 30, but combat loadout is 28.
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    I'm curious to know if the lower plays any part in the equation. For instance, with my previous Lauer lower I had difficulty inserting a 28rd gi mag on a closed bolt, but with my DD, it's not an issue. In fact, I find a 30 rd Pmag to lock in easier on a closed bolt than a 28 rd gi mag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    I am of the opinion that there are no magazine offerings currently available that will reliably load 30rds, and seat easily and positively beneath a closed bolt, across their production. I've seen and owned examples of each that will, and some will do so more consistently than others, but not enough that I'd call any of them a true 30rd magazine.
    Correct. We download all mags. PMAG's, USGI, Lancer, etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ASH556 View Post
    I'm curious to know if the lower plays any part in the equation. For instance, with my previous Lauer lower I had difficulty inserting a 28rd gi mag on a closed bolt, but with my DD, it's not an issue. In fact, I find a 30 rd Pmag to lock in easier on a closed bolt than a 28 rd gi mag.
    Yes, it can.



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    I've never tried it with the shot timer but I think I will do just that next time I can short term steal one from work.

    I have always loaded 28 until I found I could easily load 31 into my pmags and they lock in easy with 30. The USGI mags I have are still loaded with 28 because of couple of them won't lock in with the bolt closed easy.

    I want to do some reload drills next time anyway I think I will give it a try and see what happens with the times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murphman View Post
    .....there is no reason to waste 20 rounds when 10 rounds will tell me what i want to know......
    We don't call it "wasting". We call it "shooting".

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Interesting. Have you ever had someone put you under a timer doing a Tac Reload drill? Or just had you do any type of Tac reload under stress?

    This is where the 28 rule is king and why all professional instructors (especially ones with combat experience) down load their mags by 2.



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    Well, not all... This subject came up during Pat McNamara's course last fall. He was of the opinion that a 30rd mag is just that. One of his statements was that stripper clips come in 10, 10, and 10. Not 10, 10, and 8.

    I've not downloaded a mag in 22yrs though I admit some can be more challenging when they have aftermarket parts.

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    Kyle Lamb had the same opinion when asked during a class I took from him a couple of years ago. He said he always loads his mags to 30 rounds.
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