View Poll Results: What accuracy standard do you demand from your go-to AR?

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  • 1 MOA

    37 19.58%
  • 2 MOA

    79 41.80%
  • 3 MOA

    44 23.28%
  • 4 MOA

    25 13.23%
  • >5 MOA

    2 1.06%
  • Other

    2 1.06%
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Thread: Acceptable Accuracy

  1. #11
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    1 MOA for me as well. I was getting a one inch group (100 yards) last week with American Eagle and a BCM middy w/Aimpoint H-1 shooting from a bench. This is what I expect from a bench and nothing more. If I'm shooting off-hand, keeping all shots on an eight inch plate at 100 is more than acceptable.

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    The AR-15 has enormous accuracy potential. With a good barrel and good ammunition, 1 MOA is entirely attainable and to be expected. Speaking about mechanical, potential precision, I like to see all my AR's shooting in vicinity of 1 MOA. Can I shoot 1 MOA from any position other than prone, off the bench, or from an improvised supported position? Nope. But when the hardware is out there, why not take advantage?

    If I'm out of breath, my heart rate is in the 180's, my eye-pro is fogging up, and I'm being stressed, let's say my own potential for precision opens up to 4 MOA. If I break the trigger at the outside edge of that 4 MOA ring, and my rifle / ammo are capable of 1 MOA, I'm going to miss by a maximum of 5 MOA. If I'm shooting M855 for example, a classic 4 MOA load, I might miss by 8 MOA. No-go.

    So saying that most shooters are only capable of 4 MOA and thus 4 MOA is acceptable out of a rifle is false logic. You have to consider error stacking.

    You mitigate as much error as possible through training, and then take it down one step further with equipment.

    So, my answer is 1 MOA inherent, mechanical potential out of the rifle and ammo.

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    If I can rest the gun, and I'm using optics, I will accept nothing less than 1ish MOA with consistent ammo at 100-300 yards.

    Get out to 400-500 then I'm happy with 2ish MOA.

    Standing unsupported 4 MOA is sometimes possible.

    When doing the run-n-gun thing, I'm just happy to hear the ping on the steel.

    An aftermarket trigger and stock have been factored into what I deem 'acceptable'.

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    I chose 2 MOA. The Army uses 3 MOA as the minimum standard, but over the years I've found that the average M16\M4 is really right around a 2 MOA gun. Match grade ammo can drop this down around 1 MOA, but since we're talking about a go to gun, 2 MOA does it for me.

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    These days (45 years young), I'm happy with minute-of-pie-plate at 100 yards. I have astigmatism in my right eye, so the red dot in my Aimpoint looks like a short-tailed comet. I need a flip-away magnifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a0cake View Post
    The AR-15 has enormous accuracy potential. With a good barrel and good ammunition, 1 MOA is entirely attainable and to be expected. Speaking about mechanical, potential precision, I like to see all my AR's shooting in vicinity of 1 MOA. Can I shoot 1 MOA from any position other than prone, off the bench, or from an improvised supported position? Nope. But when the hardware is out there, why not take advantage?

    If I'm out of breath, my heart rate is in the 180's, my eye-pro is fogging up, and I'm being stressed, let's say my own potential for precision opens up to 4 MOA. If I break the trigger at the outside edge of that 4 MOA ring, and my rifle / ammo are capable of 1 MOA, I'm going to miss by a maximum of 5 MOA. If I'm shooting M855 for example, a classic 4 MOA load, I might miss by 8 MOA. No-go.

    So saying that most shooters are only capable of 4 MOA and thus 4 MOA is acceptable out of a rifle is false logic. You have to consider error stacking.

    You mitigate as much error as possible through training, and then take it down one step further with equipment.

    So, my answer is 1 MOA inherent, mechanical potential out of the rifle and ammo.
    I agree with you on this which is why I would rather spend extra to get the better barrels from the higher end CL HF makers/assemblers.

    It is always good to know that it's you, not the gun.

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    From a bench my ARs must be capable of 1MOA. I wish the rifle to have the capability even if I can not match it with my lack of skills.

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    Offhand, with an RDS or iron sights, with a carbine, I'd be happy with consistently keeping my shots inside 6MOA at 100 yards.

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    This thread confused itself. Are we talking what kind of accuracy I'm happy with from my equipment? Or from me?

    I have to agree with aOcake on this. You should strive to have equipment that, on it's own, is accurate (among other things).

    After that, you do your part knowing that any inaccuracies are most likely shooter induced. Assuming your rig is in good working order.

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    From a 20" Govt profile Colt Match Target: NM front sight post at 100yds



    30 shot string fired after some corrections seen lower right.
    Last edited by Gargoyle; 02-11-12 at 19:43.
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