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4 MOA
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Obviously the more inherent accuracy that the rifle holds the better but dang some of you fellas have some pretty high standards. I think I am a pretty skilled shooter but realistically 2-3 MOA out of standard carbine, non-precision, chrome lined, mil spec, battle type rifle running quality factory ammo is about right. Maybe sub 2 MOA with magnification. 1MOA IMHO is a wonder rifle with these above specs. While they exist as I own one that comes pretty close, they are more of a manufacture anomaly and I rarely see them.
But then again my standards for measuring MOA is pretty darn strict. We should perhaps look closer at the Indian and not so much at the arrow.![]()
Hitting bad guys center of mass is all I'm concerned about. I rarely shoot off a bench other than when sighting in. Once that's done it's real-world shooting positions I'm likely to be using in the field. For me 4 MOA is just fine and in reality hitting a pie plate at all practical ranges with 100% regularity will get the job done. I'm not a sniper and it's highly unlikely I'll need to shoot much beyond 25-50 yards and even more unlikely for it to be even 100 yards. Most gunfights on the street are measured in feet not yards. The majority of my training is at 25 yards or less.
I wanted to vote for 2MOA, but I know that I'm not that good with just irons/RDS, so I said 3MOA. Then I read the link to Kyle Defoor's blog, and figure he's likely correct on his deduction that 4MOA is a good average for practical rifle and pistol accuracy using decent ammo. So somewhere between 3-4MOA is acceptable. Obviously, shrinking that down to 2MOA or lower would be nice, but unless I get Lasik, it's not gonna happen for me. "Minute of man" is acceptable for me, since the competitions I participate in (on a very informal basis) are action based, and the targets are sized accordingly. My SPR is capable of just under 1MOA, though, but it's not a SHTF rifle.![]()
I went with 3 MOA for the rifle under the assumption thats with ammo included. 4MOA lets you get hits out to 500 on a man sized target. So the gun being slightly better than me keeps me honest. It doesnt matter to me how the gun gets to that standard, either awesome barrel with crap ammo or crap barrel with awesome ammo. The gun is simply a tool used to exact my will on the target.
Personally, on the flat range, I feel better about me if I get hits with a subpar gun. One would hope that you can get a hit with a sub-MOA free floated, top of the line, perfect twist rate ninja gun
Last edited by Ash Hess; 02-12-12 at 23:19. Reason: retardation
Ash Hess
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I hunt deer in the desert so a 2 MOA is minimal. I'm not one to enjoy tracking, the bullet needs to go where I send it.
My father hunts with a sub MOA SP-1 carbine. He is a lucky man to own that one. It just came out right.
Muzzle punch optional.
As accurate as mechanically possible, so that I know it's me and not the gun.
-B
RIP, Jeff Dorr: 1964 - July 17, 2009
"When young men seek to be like you, when lazy men resent you, when powerful men look over their shoulder at you, when cowardly men plot behind your back, when corrupt men wish you were gone and evil men want you dead . . . Only then will you have done your share." - Phil Messina
Noveske 18'' SPR shooting 75 grain Prvi BTHP. First 3 shots out of the virgin rifle were MOA with irons, got a little better after building up some carbon. And I'm no sub MOA shooter by any means.
Last edited by TangoSauce; 02-13-12 at 02:05.
I voted 3moa. My rifle with xm193 is 2-3moa.
This is the last time I shot from a bench(rifle on bag) stag model2 w/red dot. 20shot 3.25" group. More accurate than I would need for defensive purposes so I'm ok with it.
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Last edited by MegademiC; 02-13-12 at 10:54.
Accuracy off bench @ 100y utilizing sand bags and AimPoint PRO:
With match ammo (69gr PPU Match) <1 moa
With X-Tac M855 <2moa
Accuracy from prone/sitting with X-Tac, bipod & PRO @ 100y:
<4moa
To get the best accuracy with the PRO I use round, mint-green paper plates as targets, which allows me to center the round red dot more precisely on the target = round dot centered on round target. I also have a SSA trigger installed, which helps.
Last edited by SIMBA-LEE; 02-14-12 at 11:18.
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